Tulsidas on 7/11/2006 at 05:28
Quote Posted by George Bush
big step for democracy :thumb:
What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is brought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?
- M. K. Gandhi
Rogue Keeper on 7/11/2006 at 07:09
Look, victors tend to make biased or farcial trials.
Nurmberg process was a biased theatre... and who mourns it's sentenced victims?
Actually I'm surprised that Hussein got so "civilized" death sentence, for such lawless Iraq. Ceausescu and his wife were shot in cold blood on the pavement in Romania in 1989.
Err, now that I think about it, I'm not sure if hanging is more civilized than bullet into the head. :erm:
Plus something very relevant.
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http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article1959051.ece)
Goblin on 7/11/2006 at 09:05
Quote Posted by Chimpy Chompy
I thought this was just running on and on forever, with Saddam messing the court around and not a lot happening. So I'm kinda shocked to see a verdict has suddenly been reached.
Just wait until the appeal process begins. This'll roll on for at least another year or two.
TheGreatGodPan on 7/11/2006 at 19:02
Where's the REAL DOUBLE then?
I never thought my opinion about a major historical figure would be affected much by a (
http://history.eserver.org/ghandi-nobody-knows.txt) movie review, but in the case of Ghandi it was. I still haven't even seen the movie though.
paloalto on 7/11/2006 at 19:14
Quote Posted by Tulsidas
What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is brought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?
- M. K. Gandhi
No but it does matter to the living.Were the men who fought against fascism in world war 2 fighting only for themselves?And does it make the Revolutionary War against the British the ethical equivalent of Stalins massacre of entire sections of his population?After all both of these situations caused deaths to occur?
Agent Monkeysee on 7/11/2006 at 20:49
You're equivocating soldiers' deaths with non-soldiers' deaths. Ghandi is pretty clearly talking about the innocents that die simply because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
paloalto on 8/11/2006 at 05:28
The dead is rather a general statement.It doesn't distinquish between soldiers or innocents killed.And orphans and the homeless would still be effected by living under a democracy or a totalitarian regime.Unless being an orphan or homeless person exempts you from any other responsibility that other people face.
To me it says that because your an orphan or homeless or an innocent who died as a result of a war,that the reason for the conflict doesn't matter.I just don't agree with it.
Actually the dead part is a curious statement coming from a hindu,who bieleives in reincarnation and that lives are strung like beads on a necklace in order to reach a state of perfection.In which case the way they died would have some effect on their next incarnation making the manner in which they died important.
Tulsidas on 8/11/2006 at 07:00
Quote Posted by paloalto
The dead is rather a general statement.It doesn't distinquish between soldiers or innocents killed.
When the dead is mentioned in the same breath as are the orphans and the homeless, the distinction becomes quite apparent - to most of us, at least.
Quote Posted by paloalto
And orphans and the homeless would still be effected by living under a democracy or a totalitarian regime.Unless being an orphan or homeless person exempts you from any other responsibility that other people face.
To me it says that because your an orphan or homeless or an innocent who died as a result of a war,that the reason for the conflict doesn't matter.
I just don't agree with it.You draw your own screwball inference and then don't agree with it. That's fine.
Quote Posted by paloalto
Actually the dead part is a curious statement coming from a
hindu@Gandhi - Are you a hindu?
Gandhi - Yes I am. I am also a Christian, a Muslim, a Buddhist and a Jew.
Quote Posted by paloalto
,who bieleives in reincarnation and that lives are strung like beads on a necklace in order to reach a state of perfection.In which case the way they died would have some effect on their next incarnation making the manner in which they died important.
Ooooh, tell me more!
Scots Taffer on 8/11/2006 at 07:03
Quote Posted by Tulsidas
@Gandhi - Are you a hindu?
Gandhi - Yes I am. I am also a Christian, a Muslim, a Buddhist and a Jew.
So what I've to take from this post is that
Life of Pi is Ghandi's fault.
