Matthew on 9/11/2007 at 18:03
Just don't let 'em near the healthcare, right?
Thief13x on 9/11/2007 at 18:37
thats A-FIRM
mxleader on 9/11/2007 at 18:53
I think the hugging random people in public has nothing to do with the subject of friends in school giving hugs to their friends. I personally do not like hugs much, especially from granola eating tree hugger types. But, the point is that schools officials are afraid of lawyers. I mean what are the school officials afraid of? If the school gets sued all they have to do is raise property taxes to pay the bill. It's not like the money comes out of their paychecks. However, I think that being a neurotic paranoid idiot is not an excuse for stomping on personal liberties and freedom of expression.
I see a supreme court case, reguarding this issue, in the future.
An idea:
We could only allow very few law schools to exist and then reduce the amount of lawyers they can train. Eventually the lawyers would be so overwhelmed with work that they could only except ligitimate cases. Oh wait! That wouldn't work becuase there is too much money to be made. We wouldn't want to step on the right to get rich now would we? Bottom line: banning hugs saves money for schools. In the end, the lawyers make money either way: fighting for rights or suing for hugs.
I love my country and capitalism, but I feel the republic is doomed while it remains on its present course.
Matthew on 9/11/2007 at 18:55
Why on earth are you dragging lawyers into the discussion?
mxleader on 9/11/2007 at 19:11
Because that is why the hugs were banned!!! Because people sue and they need FUCKING lawyers!!! Because many people in America are litigious idiots and so require lawyers to sue for being hugged.
Actually I think the whole idea of the hug banning was because school officials believe that hugs lead to teenage sex and drug abuse, not really becuase they are afraid of being sued. Of course if a teacher hugs, lawsuits abound.
I can't resist bringing lawyers into an argument. :ebil:
Matthew on 9/11/2007 at 19:33
Well congratulations, you just brought one. Your next task: find (a) sense or (b) perspective.
The_Raven on 9/11/2007 at 19:48
HUGS CAN GET YOU PREGNANT!!
demagogue on 9/11/2007 at 19:56
There is something to be said for how many lawyers there are and how paternalist or protective schools are.
Anyway, my experience from Japan is that kids get slapped around by teachers and bigger kids all the time -- and if it's violent enough, they just move the teacher to a new school; or some of the physical activities they require students to do without batting an eye. And the number one thing keeping it going IMO is that there is no pressure to change because no one would ever dream of suing, because there are no lawyers around giving them an idea that it's possible (their bar pass rate is ~1%, compared to ~60% in the US). Anyway, the connection seemed apparent to me at the time ... why aren't they threatening to sue? On the other hand, there's my mother's (a elementary teacher) experience not even being able to spray antiseptic on a cut because of the litigation threat.
I can see mx's point if I look at the two ends of the spectrum, not so much the gray in between. It works to explain some things, like school policy, but not so well for other things, like whether students actually take the rules that are there seriously.
van HellSing on 9/11/2007 at 20:03
Quote Posted by Mingan
If we can't hug anymore, could we establish a new, more civilised, way of greeting each other? Pinching nipples, for example.
But what about teh (
http://ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108659) erectile dysfunctions? :erm:
nickie on 9/11/2007 at 20:48
Well, from personal experience, I am violently anti the legal profession. And the threat of litigation in the UK has led to the most dismal decisions as demonstrated by (
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7006412.stm) this. "
Not trained to deal with the event" seems an incredibly shocking reason for a boy to die.
Quote:
Originally posted by demagogueOn the other hand, there's my mother's (a elementary teacher) experience not even being able to spray antiseptic on a cut because of the litigation threat.
And I can't hand out a paracetamol but I can show someone where they can be found. Or so I'm told.
But back to hugging. My sister lives in San Jose. Now when my great-nephew died, she turned to religion for answers. But it seemed it was the happy clappy type. Some years later my son went to stay with her. During the visit he was dragged off to church and was completely horrified at the end of the service to find he was being hugged by complete strangers. He tried the Vasquez' solution of putting his hand out but was completely ignored.
I believe he's still recovering from the experience. :D
