Epos Nix on 19/2/2008 at 03:49
Quote:
Processed foods like chicken nuggets are full of rubbish, mainly skin and bone. With added ingredients to make them taste good.
I can confirm this, just for the record.
I'm working as a meat cutter at the moment where we trim up and portion all manner of beef, poultry, pork and fish. The 'waste' gets thrown into a bin and consists of anything we can't use, from out-of-date meats to pure slabs of fat from the backside of a ribeye primal. Now the store I work for is one of the better ones out there; we offer just about the best quality meat you can buy. However, this bin of waste gets hauled off to a third-party processing plant every couple days where they turn it into everything from hot dogs to animal feed.
Now the fact that hot dogs and other processed foods are made from the leftovers of pretty much anything the processing plant can get its hands on is not new information. What many people don't realize is how many non-food items routinely get tossed in with the animal by-products, and how many of the by-products themselves are far past their 'use-by' date when processed. It was enough to turn me off processed food altogether when I saw people haphazardly tossing plastic wrapping they had just stepped on into the bin, among other yummy things. :eww:
june gloom on 19/2/2008 at 04:03
Bleah. And to think I can't stand anything but beef hotdogs.
I can tell you that up until a few years ago, McDonald's Chicken McNuggets were actually made of fish. My cousin and uncle run (well, not anymore, it was bought out by my other uncle) a factory automation company designing operating systems for factory mechanisms and controls. They worked on a project for McDonald's some years ago, and it involved, among other things, the big vats that would get dumped full of chopped-up fish, said vat being not unlike a big fucking blender, and the fish was then processed into nuggets and shipped to McDonald's around the tristate.
Don't believe me? Haven't you ever looked at one of the fucking things and wonder if that's really chicken? They were so good, but the trick was to not look at 'em.
I've always preferred Wendy's nuggets anyway...
fett on 19/2/2008 at 04:04
I think if you eat potted meat and hot dogs and the like, you're going to have health problems no matter what. Processed food = bad. You can't name a single processed food that's actually good for you. I might go out on a limb and say "protein bars" because they are high in protein, low in sugar and soy (some of them) and have mostly harmless flavor additives and such. Then again, you can't eat too many of them without it affecting your health (like anything) but they're sure handy if you need to stop hunger pangs and it keeps you from eating ice cream or cereal at midnight. :p
the_grip on 19/2/2008 at 04:32
Quote Posted by fett
Processed food = bad
Absolutely... as i mentioned above, avoiding the standard fare peanut butter (or similar products) because it is fattening is the least of one's worries. Hydrogenation is the real killer. That shit is everywhere - from soy bacon bits to margarine to what have you. To me, that is the #1 problem with processed foods. Plop in some sugar on top along with a bucket of salt, and you've got the recipe for a heart attack.
Swiss Mercenary on 19/2/2008 at 06:03
Quote Posted by dethtoll
The difference is: we don't eat dogs.
So, it's only cruelty if it's done to a cuddly fuzzy animal.
Gotcha.
SD on 19/2/2008 at 07:27
Quote Posted by Rug Burn Junky
Sure, you can subsist on a diet that's not perfect, regardless of whether it contains meat or not, but a vegetarian diet is always going to have to make concessions. Even if they can be worked around, the best you're going to get is a proficient one, and never an optimal one.
And yeah, I'm sure she has a "rock hard" body, but low body fat does not equal healthy, especially when paired with the usual lack of muscular development 99% of vegans have.
Fact is, a diet with healthy, lean animal proteins like poultry and fish is going to be superior to a vegetarian diet any day, so when you spout condescending bullshit like "Vegetarian FTW. Meat problems (plus a ton of other stuff) fixed." you're just plain wrong. It causes enough problems of its own that are solved much more simply by just eating a balanced omnivorous diet.
None of this explains how Carl Lewis won 3 Olympic golds and broke the world 100m record after switching to a strict vegan diet in 1990. (
http://www.earthsave.org/lifestyle/carllewis.htm) He seems to think his diet helped, not hindered.
Honestly Ruggy, I do value what you have to say about this shit (I've seen the 'before' pics ;)) but maybe it's not as cut and dried as that? Or would Carl Lewis have been even greater on steamed chicken?
june gloom on 19/2/2008 at 07:30
Let me make it absolutely clear: I am not a vegetarian, but I do not eat a great deal of meat either. If I had to really think about it I'd say the majority of my meals involve non-meat dairy products such as cheese, which I love. I often eat chicken noodle soup as it's fast and easy like a Catholic schoolgirl, and aside from the little bits of chicken in it and the pepperoni on the pizza I buy between classes sometimes, the biggest intake of meat for me is the occasional chicken sandwich or sometimes fried chicken oh god i'm so hungry now
I don't believe in animal rights. That said, I do support animal welfare, and I do believe that the livestock industry needs ensure that the creatures under its care do not suffer before getting the bolt to the neck. Happy food is healthy food, if you ask me. However, I am not going to just stop eating meat until I'm 100% sure my chicken is cruelty-free. It's just not an issue that's really very important to me, compared to stuff such as gay rights, deaf rights, net neutrality, or whether justin1001 should be allowed to get angry about flag-burning.
Mr. K. on 19/2/2008 at 08:16
Quote Posted by Rug Burn Junky
Oh nothing major, just a general trend towards deficiencies in essential amino acids, calcium, vitamin B12, riboflavin and iron, among other things.
As well as the elevated estrogen levels that come from consuming too much soy.
I've known plenty of vegetarians. They all look like weaklings, and the best any of them tend toward as body shapes go is "skinny-fat."
But, carry on deluding yourself that it's healthier to avoid meat altogether, which I'm sure you will. Zealots don't tend to listen to reason anyway.
As stated, that's crappy diet, not vegetarianism. More information on vegetarian bodybuilding champions, athletes and MMA combat champions here:
(
http://www.primusweb.com/fitnesspartner/library/nutrition/vegetarian.htm)
(
http://www.godsdirectcontact.org.tw/eng/news/163/vg2.htm)
Quote:
There are no single plant based proteins which contain all of the essential amino acids you need (except for soy, for which you're willfully downplaying it's drawbacks).
That's why you MIX the vegetables, so they compliment each other. It works, it's common knowledge in bodybuilding diets. And trust me, if someone knows a shit ton about optimal dieting, it's bodybuilders.
I'm not a vegetarian, although I have been for quite some years. I like trying different dieting methods, and am actually pondering going back to ovo-lacto vegetarian (straight vegan is too hardcore for me). I do bodybuilding, parkour and MMA, and All you need is sound investigation about your diet. Whatever your eating intentions are.
catbarf on 19/2/2008 at 11:34
Inline Image:
http://media.npr.org/blog/july/31/pottedmeat200.jpgIngredients:
Mechanically Separated Chicken
Beef Tripe
Partially Defatted Cooked Beef Fatty Tissue
Beef Hearts
Water
Partially Defatted Cooked Pork Fatty Tissue
Salt
It's made of defatted fat. Be afraid.
Processed food = bad.
