Fringe on 18/2/2008 at 22:43

---

Still waiting for pictures of those thighs, you know.

catbarf on 18/2/2008 at 23:34

---

So the beef is pre-tenderized. What's the problem here?

catbarf on 19/2/2008 at 01:27

---

I think you have to be an idiot to feel that being run over by a grain combine is better than an instant bolt through the head. Animals die either way.

jtr7 on 19/2/2008 at 02:05

---

And it's not just the abuse. No matter how you feel about the animals' treatment, these animals were also too sick to stand. Yummy.

the_grip on 19/2/2008 at 02:30

---

i don't want to getting into a veggie fight here by any means, but a few words in response in case someone is interested.

1. i'm hardly a zealot. i've been a vegetarian for well over five years, and i've not made nor have i tried to win one single convert by yammering on about the stuff i have researched, etc. Folks ask questions (like fett did in this post), and i provide what i have found. i spent plenty of time talking to several doctors and dietitians, and i've only found one doctor that was skeptical of a vegetarian diet but it was just a "hunch" (he was also in his early seventies, take it or leave it for what that is worth to you).

2. Re: vegetarian diets lacking nutrients - that is an analysis of a bad diet, not vegetarianism. To flip it, it would hardly be a good case for me to say eating meat is awful because people eat McDonald's double cheeseburgers all day and live like shit. Sure, there are plenty of vegetarians that eat just pasta and potato chips, and that ain't healthy. That does not mean a vegetarian diet is by necessity an unhealthy diet or lacking in any nutrients or proteins. You just have to eat right - and most of the mainstream diet is not geared to exclude meat. In fact, most of the studies i have read suggest that vegetarian diets are more healthy than the alternatives when done correctly. To be sure, it is a contraversial issue, and one that is not helped by the meat industry (yes, they lobby very hard with their own research).

3. Regarding soy - i really don't consume too much soy, but what you are referring to is not exactly straightforward. Soy contains some very weak natural estrogen hormones (well, it's not that simple, but for simplicity's sake). However, it is not straightforward at all if this increases estrogen levels. In fact, studies show that soy actually reduces cancer... HOWEVER, women who have had breast cancer should not consume soy as can inhibit cancer fighting medication - and yes, it does contain weak amounts of estrogen, but the former is more of a concern. However, there are many other ways to get complete proteins apart from soy. (On the same note, however, soy milk is often fortified incredibly well). For the soy lovers out there, plenty of evidence exists to show that soy is incredibly good for you and does not contain harmful side effects (if someone solely ate soy and a lot of it, then maybe there would be a problem, but that is the case with any food).

4. i'm not going to comment on how someone looks to determine how well a vegetarian or non-vegetarian diet works. i've seen my fair share of fat asses sitting around gobbling meat. At the same time, one of the women who played a role in me becoming vegetarian is nails on the looks side and has a rock-hard body. She actually is a vegan (which i was for a while).

5. (re:a flower in hell) We are not evolved to require animal protein. i'm not sure where you get your science from, but if you could show me i'd appreciate it.

i'm only supplying this response to let any other interested parties out there know that the research, while definitely a hot topic due to all the interested parties, weighs strongly in the favor of vegetarian diets. Do your own homework on the issue, but i studied the shit out of this stuff prior to becoming a vegetarian and have yet to find good research to argue against a vegetarian diet.

(soapbox light: off)