ICEBreaker on 16/3/2002 at 09:01
I completely understand your feelings towards warez, but there is no need to resort to this type of language.
Amorpheus on 16/3/2002 at 10:37
Nope. Instead of insulting people like that we should nail them to the wall and torture them to death.
But since that's not possible (:() the foul language option is necessary for some to express their feelings.
tripwood on 23/3/2002 at 00:41
warezers have feelings too.
Amorpheus on 23/3/2002 at 07:25
And you care about them? :p
Fade on 24/3/2002 at 10:19
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Originally posted by tripwood warezers have feelings too. If they didn't, there wouldn't be any point in insulting them would there?
Anarkos on 27/3/2002 at 04:20
I've never understood the hatred people have for piracy. Execs aren't starving, companies [rarely] go under.
Theft is immoral because it takes something from another; if I steal your CD you lose the CD.
If I copy it no one loses anything. More data is created. I gain something.
Potential profit is lost. Oh well :rolleyes: you see, if we take "potential profit" as being a reason for something to be theft, deciding to buy, say, Deus Ex not Diablo 2 is stealing off Blizzard....
I am a Libertarian Socialist. I oppose moetary profit, monetary motivan. Likewise, I dislike intellectual property laws - they generally serve only to aid in the centralisation of power.
Dragonclaw on 27/3/2002 at 11:37
Well, there were (as to expect, IMO) some logical errors in there.
First, yes, execs aren't starving. But execs are also not the people to be laid off first when the company's doing bad, right?
Companies rarely go under. Well, LG did. Many other companies do, in the major small, starting ones. Because they can't sell enough copies to get in what they have to spend on loans and such. Partially, because their games are not mainstream, or they are not known enough. But partially also due to people not needing to buy the games, as they already got "a copy".
And well, yes, it is still losing. If I copy your roomkey, and live in your flat, I haven't stolen anything. Would you like it? Would you not ask the police to remove me?
If I copy a book of yours, and sell it as mine, would you not call it plagiation? (sp?)
Would you not sue me? Doubt you wouldn't. But why? I have only copied, nothing lost, only gained.
The thing about possible profits is this: It's one thing to lose them against enemy companies, because then, simply the product was inferior to theirs. But it's a COMPLETELY other thing to lose it to piracy, then the product was obviously GOOD, and I still get nothing for my efforts.
By the way, you said you were against centralisation of power.
If the minor firms die out due to not selling enough (also caused by piracy, as you can imagine, I hope), and the big ones survive, mainly because they got a name, and attract many customers. So, small ones die, big ones survive, get bigger maybe.
What do you think? Is this centralising power, or not?
Maybe you have to reconsider your point of view...
Amorpheus on 27/3/2002 at 14:10
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Originally posted by Anarkos I've never understood the hatred people have for piracy. Execs aren't starving, companies [rarely] go under.
Theft is immoral because it takes something from another; if I steal your CD you lose the CD. If I copy it no one loses anything. More data is created. I gain something.
I am a Libertarian Socialist. I oppose moetary profit, monetary motivan. Likewise, I dislike intellectual property laws - they generally serve only to aid in the centralisation of power. Forgot Looking Glass already? And for the rest, I'm not even going to argue because everyone with half a brain can see the flaws in your post.
Before I forget it:
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http://members.aon.at/amorpheus/snipe.gifAnarkos on 28/3/2002 at 09:53
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Originally posted by Amorpheus Forgot Looking Glass already? And for the rest, I'm not even going to argue because everyone with half a brain can see the flaws in your post.
Before I forget it: Inline Image:
http://members.aon.at/amorpheus/snipe.gif LOL
I also kick hornet's nests :p
Anarkos on 28/3/2002 at 10:06
Glad to get one rational reply :)
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Originally posted by Dragonclaw Well, there were (as to expect, IMO) some logical errors in there.
First, yes, execs aren't starving. But execs are also not the people to be laid off first when the company's doing bad, right? Yup. I agree fully. However, when I contrast the worst that can happen to some, the fate of a bourgeois white collar worker such as that is not so bad, even if fired.
I would rather send my cash to charity, to the truly poor.
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Originally posted by Dragonclaw Companies rarely go under. Well, LG did. Many other companies do, in the major small, starting ones. Because they can't sell enough copies to get in what they have to spend on loans and such. Partially, because their games are not mainstream, or they are not known enough. But partially also due to people not needing to buy the games, as they already got "a copy". True. I do not copy CDs from minor bands or companies that I feel deserve support - for such a reason I did not initially copy DX. In the end, I will admit I gave some friends copies; they weren't going to buy it anyway, and I reckoned if they realised how great it was they would give me me somone to play DXMP with and also be more likely to buy DX2. Ion Storm, like LG, like local music, needs and deserves support.
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Originally posted by Dragonclaw And well, yes, it is still losing. If I copy your roomkey, and live in your flat, I haven't stolen anything. Would you like it? Would you not ask the police to remove me? It depends - are you an arsehole? If it made my life worse, I would. If you were a cool guy who wanted a place to stay - and gave me no reason for fear, I wouldn't mind.
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Originally posted by Dragonclaw If I copy a book of yours, and sell it as mine, would you not call it plagiation? (sp?)
Would you not sue me? Doubt you wouldn't. But why? I have only copied, nothing lost, only gained. Uh huh. That's different. If you distributed it FREELY under MY name I'd be sweet with it - as long as I wasn't starving.
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Originally posted by Dragonclaw The thing about possible profits is this: It's one thing to lose them against enemy companies, because then, simply the product was inferior to theirs. But it's a COMPLETELY other thing to lose it to piracy, then the product was obviously GOOD, and I still get nothing for my efforts. True; that arguement would hold great sway to a Capitalist; however not to a Socialist. Profit, to me, is immoral; if it is above the mean, if by using resources you deprive other of their needs.
I despise materialism. To me, being paid isn't the motivator. Doing right, doing well is.
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Originally posted by Dragonclaw By the way, you said you were against centralisation of power.
If the minor firms die out due to not selling enough (also caused by piracy, as you can imagine, I hope), and the big ones survive, mainly because they got a name, and attract many customers. So, small ones die, big ones survive, get bigger maybe.
What do you think? Is this centralising power, or not?I agree; I have already explained that.
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Originally posted by Dragonclaw Maybe you have to reconsider your point of view... Done; I considered it and maintained it :)
