How important is it that your significant other enjoys Thief? - by slavatrumpevitch
Random_Taffer on 4/3/2017 at 14:30
It's the current year, man. Stop being so problematic. Candy Crush is a perfectly valid game and just as hardcore and immersive as Thief.
Starker on 4/3/2017 at 15:23
50% or not, I don't think anyone can argue that women don't make up a sizeable portion of gamers, but it does depend on the genre. Here's one recent study on the subject: (
http://quanticfoundry.com/2017/01/19/female-gamers-by-genre/)
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http://quanticfoundry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/genre-gender-percentages.pngEven within these genres though, in this study there are individual games where women make up a higher percentage than in the genre in general, like for example Dragon Age Inquisition (48% DA:I players vs 26% western RPG players). So it might be more of a "current state of genre" thing rather than simply a genre thing. For example, there's another post on the above linked site that suggests that women like killing things with swords and spells more than with guns and lasers, so a fantasy themed FPS might go over much better than a military/sci-fi themed one.
Judith on 4/3/2017 at 15:48
Quote Posted by Random_Taffer
It's the current year, man. Stop being so problematic. Candy Crush is a perfectly valid game and just as hardcore and immersive as Thief.
It's really hilarious when people trying to undermine stuff like being a hardcore Sudoku or Puzzle Quest player, when it's basically in the same category as being a hardcore Battlefield player, i.e. it requires higher level of engagement and skills. And now you're just trying to include some other categories, like "immersive", to look down on other genres and people, classy. Fortunately, immersiveness (?) has nothing to do with being a 3d game, or AAA shooter.
But it's not even about that. In my country, as backward as it is, there's already a generation of people who grew up having PCs or/and PS2, both boys and girls. Some of them still have consoles like PS3, others play PC games, or just mobile games. They're getting married and they will have kids, to whom discussions like this one will be a strange thing (well, that's the hope).
And on the personal level, I have at least 3 women among my friends who grew up having PS2/PC (their own or shared with sibling), and they have been fans of games like Diablo or Final Fantasy series. Only one of them really likes shooters (kind of fits the stereotype, as she is the most competitive personality of the 3).
Rubim on 4/3/2017 at 16:53
Quote Posted by Starker
50% or not, I don't think anyone can argue that women don't make up a sizeable portion of gamers, but it does depend on the genre. Here's one recent study on the subject: (
http://quanticfoundry.com/2017/01/19/female-gamers-by-genre/)
Even within these genres though, in this study there are individual games where women make up a higher percentage than in the genre in general, like for example Dragon Age Inquisition (48% DA:I players vs 26% western RPG players). So it might be more of a "current state of genre" thing rather than simply a genre thing. For example, there's another post on the above linked site that suggests that women like killing things with swords and spells more than with guns and lasers, so a fantasy themed FPS might go over much better than a military/sci-fi themed one.
From the same article:
" A game dev we recently chatted with mentioned that some designers she works with still assume that only 5% of core gamers are women, and that the quoted 41% of women are primarily casual gamers."
Quote Posted by Judith
So, you're basically saying that it's not 50/50 because half of women don't play AAA shooters, which is ridiculous. We are talking about gaming as a whole phenomenon. AAA shooter is only one genre and a just a portion of a market. There are many more audiences and genres, obviously.
Well...
Every AAA game, even some indies are carved to attract Male Audience.
Wanna see the population demographic for For Honor (Recent Ubisoft Game), i can guarantee to you that's not 50/50.
No, i'm saying that it's not 50/50 cause Woman in the general media are irrelevant to the triple AAA market.
I don't think that 50% of the player base of any recent released game are girls.
Quote Posted by Judith
It's really hilarious when people trying to undermine stuff like being a hardcore Sudoku or Puzzle Quest player, when it's basically in the same category as being a hardcore Battlefield player, i.e. it requires higher level of engagement and skills. And now you're just trying to include some other categories, like "immersive", to look down on other genres and people, classy. Fortunately, immersiveness (?) has nothing to do with being a 3d game, or AAA shooter.
But it's not even about that. In my country, as backward as it is, there's already a generation of people who grew up having PCs or/and PS2, both boys and girls. Some of them still have consoles like PS3, others play PC games, or just mobile games. They're getting married and they will have kids, to whom discussions like this one will be a strange thing (well, that's the hope).
And on the personal level, I have at least 3 women among my friends who grew up having PS2/PC (their own or shared with sibling), and they have been fans of games like Diablo or Final Fantasy series. Only one of them really likes shooters (kind of fits the stereotype, as she is the most competitive personality of the 3).
Don't be so obtuse, as i pointed out earlier. I'm pretty sure he was not talking about mobile/facebook farmville etc...
I can agree to you that's is a tin line, but its super weird to compare Sudoku to Battlefield, no matter how much time they have on the game.
Could you at least agree that the AAA Industry, are usually focused on the male audience? We can easily prove that by using that genre chart. One of the most prominent genres (the ones that sells more) are Shooters.
Starker on 4/3/2017 at 17:28
I think The Sims ($75 million annual revenue for The Sims 4) might have more than 50% women, actually. And certainly no one is disputing that quite a lot of the AAA gaming industry caters primarily to men, but women are by no means a marginal part of gaming if you are willing to look beyond that. There are quite a lot of women who play RPGs and adventure games and other games that are considered "real games". Surely those are "core gamers" right there.
Judith on 4/3/2017 at 17:51
Speaking of obtuse, it's hard to discuss anything with someone who easily jumps between "games are not for women" and "AAA action games are not for women", as if it was the same type of statement. And saying that AAA shooters are typically targeted at men is like saying that water boils at 100°C.
But that isn't much a concern nowadays, with AAA shooters being a dying breed for a few years now (with new Doom and Titanfall2 being a nice exception). Also "AAA industry = AAA shooters" - nope. Games are more diverse now. If there's any bigger trend, it's the open-world games, with all the subsets of genres within, and for everyone to enjoy. Mostly because no sane developer, indie or AAA, would want his game to reach only a fraction of the audience.
slavatrumpevitch on 4/3/2017 at 18:13
My bad, y'all. RIP ostensibly benign thread topic :(
Judith on 4/3/2017 at 18:30
No, it's our fault for derailing the thread, sorry. Anyway, I don't remember playing Thief with any of my significant others, I only recall showing it to my family. They seemed intrigued that it's 3d and not about shooting, but that's all :)
JarlFrank on 4/3/2017 at 22:42
Well, I tried to get my ex into games and started out with 90s adventure games (which were older than herself), but the relationship only lasted one and a half years and I never got around to showing her Thief.
Now I need a new girlfriend to introduce to Thief. :p
PigLick on 5/3/2017 at 00:51
Well, on topic my whole family (including my wife) has played and enjoyed Thief, mainly 1+2 but we didnt mind DS as well.
