TheivingME on 20/7/2004 at 14:32
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That's right. He's the one who tells Garret about the upcoming Metal Age in T: DP. I think he is actually the keeper Garret was trying to steal from when he was a child.
Everybody thinks that, and how can you say that with such conviction? There is no proof, I am sure I have read somewhere that Garrett attempted to steal from Keeper Marcus (or something like that). Also if Garrett had stolen from Artemus, he would in all likely hood be dead by the time of TDS. The average city persons life expectancy would be no more than 60. forgetting that, a Keeper can only leave the compound when they are fully trained, in their twenties. Garrett looks about 45+ in the TDS cut-scenes. So say the Keeper he attempted to steal from was 30 at the time when Garrett makes the ''fateful grab'', that would make him about 75 in the time of TDS.
Granted my age theory is all speculation but there is NO PROOF for Artemus' involvement up to TDS.
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Artemus was not only the man that brought Garrett to the Order, but also, he is the man that actually trained him. So even after all those years and despite Garrett's unique ability in the Keeper ways, Artemus is still able to outsneak him Or at least he says so and I think so.
I disagree, Keeper Artemus can only out-sneak Garrett because his Keeper field training has been re-awakened since he left the Keeper Compound. After all before he flees the compound Garrett outsneaks him no problem.
I think you are meant to speculate on who the Keepers are, simply because they are Keepers, you are not supposed to know who does this and that, they are Keeper's, a secret society.
Fallen+Keeper on 20/7/2004 at 14:58
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Everybody thinks that, and how can you say that with such conviction? There is no proof, I am sure I have read somewhere that Garrett attempted to steal from Keeper Marcus (or something like that). Also if Garrett had stolen from Artemus, he would in all likely hood be dead by the time of TDS. The average city persons life expectancy would be no more than 60. forgetting that, a Keeper can only leave the compound when they are fully trained, in their twenties. Garrett looks about 45+ in the TDS cut-scenes. So say the Keeper he attempted to steal from was 30 at the time when Garrett makes the ''fateful grab'', that would make him about 75 in the time of TDS..
Wrong. Keeper Marcus does not exist. Wherever you could read/hear about him, it's a fan work. If you do 2+2 basing your calculations on the official info provided, you'll see that it's Artemus. The problem is that his name has been given to him only in TDS. Just because the story would make impossibile call them Keeper 1, Keeper 2, Keeper 3 etc.
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Granted my age theory is all speculation but there is NO PROOF for Artemus' involvement up to TDS.
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Your age speculation is wrong. Garrett has been hired at the age 10-15, not more, not less. He left the order in his twenties. With these infos I think we can assume he could be 25. So, 10 years, yet the guy who hired him is still alive at the end. The voice is clearly the same, yet older.
Between Thief 1 and Thief 2 at least 1 year has passed. It has been stated 1) by the devs; 2) by the in-game conversation, mainly the one in "Shipping & Receiving". Nothing definitive, of course, but it's better than fans theory.
And there is 1-3 years between Thief 2 and Thief 3. Garrett was waiting for Artemus to show him that damn book he was blattering about since TDP. I don't see Garrett as the perfect model of patient man. So if even Artemus was 40-50 at the beginning of TDP, he could be 60-65 in TDS, yet we saw his face in TMA. He didn't seem like a 60-years old Keeper grandpa.
Why does Garrett seem 45+ in TDS? In those harsh times the people seemed much older than they really were. Not conviced? Hell, here is an even better reason: blame the T:DS artists! ;)
Anyway, in the cutscene of Gamall revelation, Garrett seems a teenager girl :joke:
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I disagree, Keeper Artemus can only out-sneak Garrett because his Keeper field training has been re-awakened since he left the Keeper Compound. After all before he flees the compound Garrett outsneaks him no problem.
Could be, who knows.
:)
ejsmith on 20/7/2004 at 16:01
Randy's cuter, but Nate's ripped. Comparatively. I don't know which one to pick.
*swoons*
Also, there's some kind of deduction thing I've seen. A Keeper Yates or Yerrell or something; starts with a "Y". He's the guy that caught Garrett. I think you have to hunt back in the scrolls file, and pull out some stuff that wasn't put in the game.
Also, Garrett looks "45+" in the cutscenes? Christ, I thought they made him look god damn 17. Looks like a Southparker in the "trial" scene.
TheivingME on 20/7/2004 at 17:55
Ejsmith: No I meant Garrett looks 45+ in the gameplay.
ejsmith on 20/7/2004 at 20:43
Well, maybe so. But "back in those days", people were about 30 when they looked that old. You were over the hill at 29, and expected to be a responsible adult at 14.
Slortex on 20/7/2004 at 21:36
Garrett was about 10 when he stole from Artemus. I remember reading somewhere that keeper training was 20 years long. Lets assume Artemus was 30 when he took Garrett in. That places him at 50 when the events in TDP take place. Give about 5-10 years worth of crap happening in trilogy, and you place Artemus at age 60 by the time TDS ends. That'd be my guess.
Artemus is at least as good at sneaking as Garrett. At the end of the final cutscene in the Gray Lady's hideout, Garrett doesn't even notice Artemus leave. He looks up and says, "Artemus?" And the camera pans around revealing the room is empty.
Fallen+Keeper on 20/7/2004 at 22:09
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Garrett was about 10 when he stole from Artemus. I remember reading somewhere that keeper training was 20 years long. Lets assume Artemus was 30 when he took Garrett in. That places him at 50 when the events in TDP take place.
If Artemus was 30 when he took Garrett in then he should be 40-50 (I would say 40) at the time when he left. Garrett spent only 10-15 years among the Keepers, since he left them when he was 20-25.
jake the Taffer on 21/7/2004 at 00:09
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Do you know what? I just realised that I don't care! :thumb: ;)
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Slortex on 21/7/2004 at 04:24
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If Artemus was 30 when he took Garrett in then he should be 40-50 (I would say 40) at the time when he left. Garrett spent only 10-15 years among the Keepers, since he left them when he was 20-25.
Where are you getting the 10-15 years with the keepers figure? I seem to remember a parchment somewhere saying that keeper training takes 20 years. Perhaps I'm misremembering and it said that keepers stay in training until the age of 20. Either way, it doesn't really matter. I'd say Artemus was 15-20 years older than Garrett, no matter how old either of them are. Its not like being a Keeper (except for enforcers) really requires a young person. I'd imagine older people would be very capable of sneaking around.
EmperorSteele on 21/7/2004 at 07:39
Yeah, but remember guys, Garrett LEFT the keepers, probably well before his training was finished.
Besides which, though, garret alswasy seemd to be in his late 20s' early 30s to me, and artimus doesn't seem that much older. In fact, teh way they interact, i'd say they were trained together, not that Artimus was a teacher.
So I really dont beleive hes the one garret tried snatching from in T1 =/
