Stitch on 15/2/2006 at 16:22
Quote Posted by BR796164
Nope. Human stupidity is eternal and we make the same mistakes over and over again, because we have tendency to be historically forgetful.
All one has to do is take a look around to see that this clearly isn't the case, overall. I understand 20-something cynicism is tough to shake but you really need to gain some perspective.
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That's it. :)
How is that it? How does the fact that Christianity has gone through this already and managed to come out the other side change anything? Christians were ridiculously fanatic then, doesn't change the fact that the Muslim world is ridiculously fanatic now.
Don't get me wrong, I can see how it can be brought up to zing retards trying to paint the protesting Muslims as a bunch of animals, but in a serious discussion of the issues all that it really means is that Christianity has managed to pull out of this fanaticism whereas Islam has not. Islam most likely will eventually, but they will do it in their own way.
aguywhoplaysthief on 15/2/2006 at 20:55
Quote Posted by Hesche
If it´s so hard to compromise with eath other, we shouldn´t make business with each other.
Shit, really?
Fuck, you should have posted earlier and then we could have spared ourselves the trouble.
Gingerbread Man on 15/2/2006 at 20:57
Actually, my point had more to do with Teenaged Angst than anything else. It's a popular construct in sociology (not called Teenaged Angst, though) when dealing with the maturation of various aspects of civilisations and cultures in general. I guess the rationale being that most things entirely concocted and operated by humans also tend to work along similar lines as individual human development by virtue of their close association with the two-legged fire-weilding poo factories that spawned them.
I'm not sure I can continue the metaphor without either wandering off into something that sounds unfortunately patronising or spinning into sheer incoherence, though. Language is tricky for me like that.
But if you take the standard "Asian Grandparents, European Parents, North American Children" thing and substitute Y for X...
Of course in the Real World, teenagers with a chip that big on their shoulder tend to go on shooting rampages at school.
Oh, wait.
Rogue Keeper on 16/2/2006 at 10:28
Quote Posted by Stitch
All one has to do is take a look around to see that this clearly isn't the case, overall. I understand 20-something cynicism is tough to shake but you really need to gain some perspective.
Oddly enough, I came to this conviction from observation of various historical analyses made by historians who are much older than us both together...
You have your own insight into human nature and I have mine.
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Islam most likely will eventually, but they will do it in their own way.
That's it!!! :)
They will have to grow up past their primitive fanatism - but they will have to solve it for themselves. Historical lesson is that everytime we tried to forcibly interfere with development of other civilizations, it didn't end too well - more conflicts, more blood, more tensions.
Well. I don't know how you, but I still see enough Christian fanatics around me, and I don't feel quote okay when I hear them "preaching" about how is our Christian society superior over some savages over there... That's not the way Christ was promoting!!?? Some of these nuts are very powerful leaders of the western world. They just fuel inter-civilizational hatred and tension by promoting "crusades" and such. Actually it seems that fanatic parts of Christianity and Islam essentially need each other for living, they feed on each other's hatred.
Hey btw, wasn't the Antichrist supposed to return back to Earth as a very influential, charismatic and distinguished man? :p (I don't take this legend too seriosly, but it's quite intriguing.)
Maybe you'll be again disappointed that I continue criticizing the Christian society, well, that's maybe because I usually prefer to analyze mistakes of my own society before I start judging another society.
Any religion is as wise and humanitarian as it's leaders.
Primitive leaders, primitive religion.
WingedKagouti on 16/2/2006 at 13:07
Quote Posted by BR796164
Hey btw, wasn't the Antichrist supposed to return back to Earth as a very influential, charismatic and distinguished man? :p (I don't take this legend too seriosly, but it's quite intriguing.)
If he is, then we're safe for now at least. :p
Agent Monkeysee on 16/2/2006 at 16:22
Quote Posted by BR796164
They will have to grow up past their primitive fanatism - but they will have to solve it for themselves.
I don't see what this analysis, even if true, brings to the table. We can't put the Middle East on hold and check back in 200 years. They may be primitive fanatics, but they're primitive fanatics that affect global politics and economics RIGHT NOW.
BEAR on 16/2/2006 at 16:24
Quote Posted by Deep Qantas
Are people researching nuclear power civilizationally superior to people torturing prisoners?
Yeah, I really should stop that.
Rogue Keeper on 16/2/2006 at 16:29
By the way, I have a great material for you all I found some time ago -
"Iraq Culture Smart Card - A Guide to Cultural Awareness"(
http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/usmc/iraqsmart-1104.pdf)
You can learn a lot about Arabic Social Structure (In Iraq anyway, but they play Clans and Tribes almost anywhere in the Middle East), Islam, Arabic customs, religious holidays, etc...
It's a brief guide for US Marines in Iraq, prepared by US Marine Corps' Intelligence Activity. As you can see, it's a public material, this one is hosted by Federation of American Scientists. I translated it as a Powerpoint presentation, for internal purposes of my employer.
Agent M: Go ahead... and make the same historical mistakes over and over again. :p
Agent Monkeysee on 16/2/2006 at 16:39
Quote Posted by BR796164
Agent M: Go ahead... and make the same historical mistakes over and over again. :p
Make WHAT mistakes? You're not saying anything. Are you actually proposing we ignore the Middle East until they work out their own problems? Do you have any idea how completely unrealistic that is?
Rogue Keeper on 16/2/2006 at 16:49
You know, I don't know if you know that saying:
"Who doesn't do anything, won't botch anything."
You can always try to repair something broken, but high chances are that unforseenable consequences will create more problems, which you'll be trying to repair again, and create more problems...
Simply put, that's human nature. When the world eventually becomes perfect, humans will cease to be just mere humans. :)
