tungsten on 5/2/2006 at 08:47
Mortenmarc, can you link to some "trustworthy" page that confirms this? Seems pretty important. And it boils down to the question of "freedom to do something in your country" vs "respect of other cultures".
Or: let's say "they" don't have the right to dictate us what we do in our countries. But then, what right do we have to dictate them what to do in theirs (Israel, Iraq, Iran etc..)?
jay pettitt on 5/2/2006 at 09:30
Gosh, it's all terribly exciting, isn't it Convict - you tard.
Ya see, I hold you in about the same regard as those young gentlemen tards waving banners and calling for violent retribution outside the embassy in London. Your facility for brain function is round-a-bout on that level. If you'd have been born into a Muslim family, you'd be the sicko texting your mates and stirring it all up. You sir, are a divisive little twerp.
Convict on 5/2/2006 at 09:43
Please cut out the personal attacks and instead explain to me if there was anything worthy of comment in your post. Actually your post contains no opinion except nasty comments.
Swiss - "bad" countries is rather arbitary but I would partially define it as countries who are out to do bad things to their people or other countries. Ok Sheik Fehmi El-Imam was just warning what would happen so I guess he is moderate in that sense - I probably misinterpreted it as "back off otherwise we will riot".
jay pettitt on 5/2/2006 at 10:12
As far as I can tell the personal attacks are perfectly justified. I could identify you as being Australian/Christian/Conservative and apply the tard brush generally to the aforementioned. But I choose not to, not all australians/christians/conservatives are tards. It's pretty specific to you.
As far as I cant tell there are at least 4 issues at play. Here's what I think.
On Free Speech.
Free Speech is good. Must not be theatened - that's an absolute.
On Cartoons
The Cartoons were crass and insensitive. But, then part of the job of cartoons in the west is to provide an opportunity for being crass and insensitive while also being dissarming and being in a medium that is largely accepted as not offensive.
I think the Cartoons deserve robust criticism. Criticism is part of debate and that's what the cartoons intended.
On The Response
In some cases absoluteley fucking wrong. Death threats and acts of violence are reprehensible. Keys were invented so you can throw them away. In other cases far more appropriate. Certainly in UKland the majority of objection to the cartoons has been moderate - it's desperately sad that the response has been hijacked by fascists.
And Then...
And then there's the twerps who are getting off on it all. The little arseholes who are using the affair to whip up divisions, fear and hatred either against the west or against muslims - both of whom are already on tenderhooks and share unhealthy levels of antagonism. If there's anyone I won't give the time of day to, it's this lot.
Convict on 5/2/2006 at 10:35
You haven't given any reasons for your personal attacks and I accuse you of trolling.
However I do think that some positive benefit will come of the conflict, as I mentioned above, that Iran will not be able to look to Europe for support in its dangerous ventures. Also it may make some people realise the desperate need to allow freedom of speech in Muslim countries as well as raise the issue of other "human rights" problems there.
Chimpy Chompy on 5/2/2006 at 11:10
Quote Posted by Paz
I'm not really sure what people expect in public statements from 'the moderate muslim world' when stuff like this happens. .... Do you need confirmation that, yes, they recognise that the extremists in their religion are indeed quite extreme?
To be honest man I think we need exactly that. The "moderate muslim" leaders need to go out and publicly state this is completely nuts, and that they accept the west is not bound by muslim traditions. It might not stop the protestors, as you say, but it would at least reassure the rest of us that "BEHEAD THOSE WHO OFFEND US" isn't what Islam is about.
You see, the fear is that whilst it might only be the extremists out there waving banners, there might be a lot of so-called moderates sat out home quietly cheering them on. Or staring at their shoes mumbling "well it's pretty bad but [insert excuse]", as about the closest to a condemnation you'll get.
I really don't know what to make of Islam these days. :(
SubJeff on 5/2/2006 at 11:53
What he said.
Convict, you are divisive little twerp. You're clearly happy about the situation and you seem to be postively frothing at the fact that I, someone who up until now has completely disagreed with you, am very annoyed about all this and feel that the Muslim communities across the world are just not behaving in a reasonable manner.
The difference between us is still huge - you are happy because this reinforces the racist stereotypes in you mind, I am annoyed because I think it's all retarded. That doesn't make me a neo-con you knob.
Seeker on 5/2/2006 at 11:59
Convict, cut off the gloating. It's pricks like you who cause things like this.
Convict on 5/2/2006 at 12:08
SE I was taking the piss is all.
I am not clearly happy about the situation except for the above which I stated. And I should have thought that an educated person such as yourself would be above personal attacks.
SubJeff on 5/2/2006 at 12:32
What? Shut up. No one is "above" personal attacks. Not when they are presented with one so deserving.
And I though you would be above petty gloating and prejudice being an educated person, but hey life's a cocktail and people aren't predicatable.
