Seeker on 4/2/2006 at 19:50
I'm rather disappointed at the lame response from moderate muslim leaders, who at a time like this should be doing their utmost to keep things civil. Meanwhile, extremists are driving the masses to further their agenda of conflict with the west :nono:
Apparently, the burnings of the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Syria were triggered by a text messaging campaing that claimed protesters in Copenhagen were about to burn Qurans.
I sure as fuck hope this thing blows over before people start dying. A major falling out between Europe and the muslim world would severely hurt both.
SubJeff on 4/2/2006 at 20:13
If someone does die and the people who should don't make an absolutely HUUUGE hullabaloo then I think it will be clear. Clear that some people need to leave. My tolerance hasn't run out - I think my eyes have just been opened.
Paz on 4/2/2006 at 23:01
I think the best possible reaction to the massive overreaction would be to overreact massively.
I'm not really sure what people expect in public statements from 'the moderate muslim world' when stuff like this happens. I wasn't expecting a memo from The Pope whenever a group of Nutzoid Catholics blew up some Irish people. Do you need confirmation that, yes, they recognise that the extremists in their religion are indeed quite extreme? Do they need to make a statement after every incident? I'm already fairly happy that, for example, the Muslim Council of GB aren't supportive of this kind of thing in any way.
Or do you hope that extremists might go 'oh, that moderate cleric guy we have no respect for is saying we should calm down .. I guess we will'? I'd love that to be the case, but I fear it would not be.
How does it play out in your mind - give me a scenario, or something.
I mean, I agree it couldn't hurt to have a few people saying 'this isn't what Islam is about' ... again. But surely the only religious figures who could make this actually stop are the ones who whipped up the bother in the first place - with, supposedly, the aid of a few faked 'cartoons' and some entirely untrue stories. I wonder if they produced the unpublished cartoons themselves? IRONY!
Also, I was thrilled to find (who I assumed to be) the BNP trolling an Oldham Athletic forum with racist shit about muslims this afternoon. Awesome guys - way to defuse a conflict. OH WAIT, YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOVING THIS.
jay pettitt on 4/2/2006 at 23:07
For what it's worth there was two hours of peacefull protest outside the Danish Embassy in London today without the provocative banners.
mortenmarc on 4/2/2006 at 23:23
The Cartoons in question were part of a story the paper did, not just funny haha cartoons, as a response to growing selfcensorship amougst journalist. When doing any story about Islam/the Islamic world/muslims.
So the feeling was, that freedom of speech was suffering because of this selfcensorship of the journalists. That's why the paper did the story, and with it the cartoons. It basicly boils down to the question, of the journalists asking themselves why do we censor ourselves when reporting on Islam etc.
Personnally I think that the Danish <-> Middle-Eastern "crisis", answers that particular question quite nicely.
Ofcourse the drawings etc. were meant for internal danish debate, on issues of integration and such.
Wyclef on 4/2/2006 at 23:24
That's just reprehensible. The possessive is "its"
SubJeff on 4/2/2006 at 23:37
Are those pics for real, or are they photoshopped?
Paz - I would expect the governments and head clerics of every single Muslim country that has this craziness going on it to speak up with much force and publicity. They must know that this is harming them in the long run so the only reasons I can imagine for them not doing as I suggest is that they a. broadly agree with it all or b. are afraid. Neither is acceptable at all.
I am starting to believe that there is a strong fundamental, hypocrytical and intolerant force within much of Islam. The reason I say this is the pure truth of this:
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I believe that there are strong cultural, and not just religious, elements to this but as you know there is often a solid synthesis of the two. I am not prepared to accept gagging by these nuts and I really, really believe that escalation of this type of reaction, behaviour and attitude in a way that starts to impinge on our way of life is fascism of new kind.
Aja on 4/2/2006 at 23:45
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
Are those pics for real, or are they photoshopped?
The fourth one posted ("slay those who insult islam") was published in the Edmonton Journal today, so I assume they're real.
