Kuuso on 22/3/2010 at 09:55
You a troll?
Vae on 22/3/2010 at 10:00
Not in the slightest.
Kuuso on 22/3/2010 at 10:02
I find it silly how scared americans are of "socialism". Anyways, I found (
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1914020220100319) this article from Reuters, which is quite easy to read! It explains what happens when. Here's the first year:
WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR OF ENACTMENT
*Insurance companies will be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Lifetime coverage limits will be eliminated and annual limits are to be restricted.
*Insurers will be barred from excluding children for coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
*Young adults will be able to stay on their parents' health plans until the age of 26. Many health plans currently drop dependents from coverage when they turn 19 or finish college.
*Uninsured adults with a pre-existing conditions will be able to obtain health coverage through a new program that will expire once new insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014.
*A temporary reinsurance program is created to help companies maintain health coverage for early retirees between the ages of 55 and 64. This also expires in 2014.
*Medicare drug beneficiaries who fall into the "doughnut hole" coverage gap will get a $250 rebate. The bill eventually closes that gap which currently begins after $2,700 is spent on drugs. Coverage starts again after $6,154 is spent.
*A tax credit becomes available for some small businesses to help provide coverage for workers.
*A 10 percent tax on indoor tanning services that use ultraviolet lamps goes into effect on July 1.
Muzman on 22/3/2010 at 10:07
Quote Posted by Vae
Even if the new health bill ever takes affect, the USA will still only qualify as a quasi-socialized nation at best. The current public works (fire dept, roads, etc) constitute only a tiny fraction of our economy...not even enough to qualify the US as a quasi-socialized nation by itself.
Why'd you say you were now socialists then?
Kuuso on 22/3/2010 at 10:09
Even more so, why is socialism such a bad thing to you americans? It's silly.
Vae on 22/3/2010 at 10:32
If ObamaCare is not repealed, it will likely cause a "nullification crisis", because of the States resisting the Federal mandate. As of right now, 37 States have announced that they will file legislation to reject the health care mandate, as it would be unconstitutional and violate state sovereignty. This of course will then lead to the US Supreme Court for a judgment on the mandates' constitutional validity. With 5 right leaning and 4 left leaning judges, the ruling will likely be that the States have the right to reject the mandate, thereby undoing ObamaCare.
Vae on 22/3/2010 at 10:35
Quote Posted by Muzman
Why'd you say you were now socialists then?
I was exaggerating to make a point. I was also playing off of Renzatics' comment. Even so, quasi-socialism is still a form of socialism.
Kuuso on 22/3/2010 at 10:37
So your real problem is that your judges aren't objective.
CCCToad on 22/3/2010 at 10:45
Quote Posted by Kuuso
Even more so, why is socialism such a bad thing to you americans? It's silly.
Can't speak for most people; my answer is different than most. Most historical examples of (pure) socialism are characterized not by the government insuring a more equitable distribution of wealth, but actually mean an extremely wealthy power elite controlling the vast majority of the country's wealth and using it to serve their own interests.
Course, a moderated dose of socialization can do a lot of good to curb the destructive effects of free market capitalism, but a lot of people either cannot easily distinguish by degrees or are scared of a "slippery slope" effect.
In other words, "Socializing medicine might help some people, but it will start the ball rolling on a shift that will result in the USA becoming a communist state).
Namdrol on 22/3/2010 at 10:48
Quote Posted by Vae
...The United States of America is the most advanced and innovative civilization in the history of mankind, and has raised the quality of life for most of humanity...
citation needed
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Quote Posted by CCCToad
...an extremely wealthy power elite controlling the vast majority of the country's wealth and using it to serve their own interests...
sounds vaguely familiar