demagogue on 24/3/2010 at 16:38
It's not like the Democrats were going to get much else accomplished in the near future anyway. Part of this story was apparently that they dug to the bottom dregs of the political capital barrel to get this law and sidelined pretty much everything else for it. (Even if this is the high point of Obama's presidency it would still be pretty respectable, though.)
CCCToad on 24/3/2010 at 17:48
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The only reason that the Rugged Individualists(TM) can make the insensitive and self aggrandizing claims they do is because they have the comfortable foundation of collective human effort and accomplishment to stand on.
Very true, but I will play Devil's advocate and point out that alot of that collective human accomplishment was accomplished by rugged invidualists.
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I support the idea of health care reform for several reasons; I just don't think the bill we have now in its current form will perform entirely as promised, and I don't like the manner in which it was passed (though, realistically, I'm well aware that a bipartisan solution would have been unlikely because Congress can't stop being children long enough to get along.)
Quoting this simply because the astonishing has happened: I agree with dethtoll.
edit: found a new link, and figured I'd toss it out there for hilarity. Can't tell the context, but its still fun. I hesitated to lump this in with my previous post, since this link is considerably less constructive. Healthcare will (
http://www.breitbart.tv/shocking-audio-rep-dingell-says-obamacare-will-eventually-control-the-people) "Control the people"
Thirith on 24/3/2010 at 18:17
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... alot of that collective human accomplishment was accomplished by rugged invidualists.
Let's be honest about this, though - those rugged individualists tended to have a social framework where the collective took care of a number of things so the rugged individualists could concentrate on being rugged and individualistic and accomplishing great things. They tended to stand on the shoulders of collectivist giants. There's a reason why the "Great Men" theory of history is pretty much unimportant in the modern study of history.
Edit: Man, what a waste of a post. Basically I'm regurgitating wht RBJ already said much more pithily. Not that CCCToad addressed that with anything other than circular logic, mind you.
Rug Burn Junky on 24/3/2010 at 19:35
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Very true, but I will play Devil's advocate and point out that alot of that collective human accomplishment was accomplished by rugged invidualists.
You've clearly been polluted by too much Ayn Rand.
Thirith on 24/3/2010 at 20:05
Many years from now, CCCToad will be sitting in his underwater utopia, laughing at us poor fools.
CCCToad on 24/3/2010 at 20:11
shush you, don't let people in on my plan.
MorbusG on 24/3/2010 at 21:44
ugh umm yeah. drunk or not, but watching this recording of an event of some bills presentation (donatelifecalifornia), I'm a total ... wait.
First time I heard Arnold Swarchcherschintzher was the governor, I couldn't believe it. I thought it was a joke. But now I digress.
I'm a total fag for him. This ex(?)-moviestar is making shit happen'. Big time. What the hell? Don't get me wrong, I'm a total fag for Obama as well, but you yanks keep going down this route, I won't have anything to hate you for. :confused: For all I know, a couple of years down the line, United States of America is the totem of all good and holy once again (after France, ofcourse). My world crumbles. :mad:
Muzman on 24/3/2010 at 21:47
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I sometimes feel like the Tea Party movement is a little ironically out of touch with American history and tradition and has some kind of revisionist fantasy of a tradition that never really existed.
This and the rest I have definitely noticed. Although the Tea Party movement is kinda new (in name, even if its been around in some form) isn't it?
I had taken it that 'In God we trust' was always on the currency and other things like the Gideons had been sticking bibles in top drawers about a hundred years longer than they actually had, just because of what people said. This was some time ago too. And you'll still find people who believe these things.
Perhaps coincidentally, it all seems to stem from the rise of evangelical christianity, also in the '30s. But it's likely too simple to lay it all on that.
scumble on 25/3/2010 at 09:14
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I had taken it that 'In God we trust' was always on the currency
I think we can blame the Knights of Columbus for that one. 1952 or thereabouts? Jefferson wouldn't have been pleased at all.
