Queue on 26/2/2009 at 14:04
But then I can't see the money shot.
It's all about the experience, Scots
Muzman on 26/2/2009 at 15:12
Do those T2 editions these days have the theatrical cut on them? Cameron's directors cuts uniformly have two good new scenes and two completely shit ones and it drives be batty. I like how Ridley Scott usually puts both.
-wait, I suppose that's what both cuts means huh? Good, now Aliens as well
EvaUnit02 on 27/2/2009 at 03:20
Quote Posted by Queue
I can't see the point of having a resolution so amazing that you can see the actors sweat - or catch glimpses of the 4th dimension if you look through a certain filter at that spot slightly to the left of the couch (though that'd be somewhat more interesting than the actual movie) - unless it's porn. Which, from my understanding, won't be available in Blu-ray. And, as for Blu-ray, the picture is so "clean" that it's lifeless. It's like watching a film in a digital movie theater, which I'm not a big fan of. To me the movies lose a certain amount of depth when presented digitally on a big screen. But, they're cheaper to produce and distribute, so the end of 35mm is near.
The point of watching films in HD is for an experience that's closer in quality to the celluloid original version. 1080p is still only 2K HD, 35mm celluloid is still a much higher resolution.
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And, as for Blu-ray, the picture is so "clean" that it's lifeless. It's like watching a film in a digital movie theater, which I'm not a big fan of.
Far from all Blu-ray aren't like that. Quit making ignorant generalisations.
That's entirely depends on how the HD master was produced. If they applied loads of DNR, then there will be a loss of detail. You may as stick with the DVD release in these cases. Eg Paramount's HD releases of Face/Off, Top Gun and Black Rain are heavily DNR'ed travesties. (
http://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4611) Here's visual evidence of how they fucked up Top Gun in HD.
Warner, MGM and Universal tend to shy away from DNR'ing, retaining the natural film grain in their masters.
The most infamous DNR cock up was Warner's remaster of Citizen Kane (as seen on the R1 SE DVD), where the DNR was so excessive that it removed the fucking rain from one scene.
Fafhrd on 27/2/2009 at 03:34
I've also noticed that pretty uniformly all in-store HD demo setups have that damned frame/refresh rate doubling feature turned on, and it does something weird to the image that makes my eyes just reject it.
Kolya on 27/2/2009 at 04:57
So um, I had to look up DNR, Dynamic Noise Reduction it is, as I know now. The only negative effect I could see in the HD images of Top Gun was that they brightened the complete spectrum making black parts appear dark gray. Apart from that the image is much sharper and has more details in dark areas.
I can understand why some cineastes would prefer the grainy original for that extra authenticity but frankly it's not a bad trade off. Not at all.
EvaUnit02 on 27/2/2009 at 05:07
Too much DNR = loss of detail.
Kolya on 27/2/2009 at 05:27
Yes, I know you were saying that. And it even makes sense in so far as the original will always have the most detail. But that detail is buried in a dark image here. So brightening it up brings the detail out. Of course they could have gone a bit smarter about it, even the letterframe box isn't really black anymore. But still the visual quality was improved.
Say in this nice image: (
http://loveandpop.com/dvd/top.gun/12.r2uk-ce.jpg) original / (
http://loveandpop.com/dvd/top.gun/12.hd-eu.jpg) HD
Now look at the bedsheet if you weren't looking there anyway and watch how folds magically appear in the dark parts of the sheet. That isn't all though, if you look at her hair (I think that's Nicole Kidman, so let's imagine she was dead), anyway if you look at her hair you can see they also sharpened the image. Looks better!
Now if I was working at the National Movie Archive I certainly would want to keep an original copy in case someone comes up with better filters in a few years. But if I'd just want to watch Tom Cruise shooting stuff I'd choose the HD version.
Of course there's something to be said for keeping a movie's original look. Not sure if that applies here though, Top Gun is hardly a classic.
Fafhrd on 27/2/2009 at 05:49
The original is clearly the better image. And consider that the contrast of the image was a decision made by the DP and the Director. Altering that for the sake of showing off how you can see the fine detail damages the artistic intent of the creators, and hurts the composition of the frame.
Angel Dust on 27/2/2009 at 06:14
Quote Posted by EvaUnit02
The point of watching films in HD is for an experience that's closer in quality to the celluloid original version. 1080p is still only 2K HD, 35mm celluloid is still a much higher resolution.
I was going to post something similar but you've said it already! I think people are forgetting that when you go to the cinema it doesn't look anywhere near as grainy/fuzzy as it does on your TV.
EvaUnit02 on 27/2/2009 at 09:42
Original? Dude, both the DVD and the HD releases are from the same master.
Anyway:-
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As previously reported, Lionsgate announced the latest Blu-ray version of the James Cameron classic on May 19, dubbed the 'Terminator 2: Judgment Day - Skynet Edition' (it follows a relatively bare-bones edition released in 2006).
The studio has now unleashed final specs, which will see "multiple THX-certified high-def versions of the film" on a single BD-50 dual-layer disc, presented in 1080p video (2.35:1) and remastered English DTS-HD Lossless Master Audio 6.1 Surround. (At press time, we are still awaiting confirmation of which versions of the film will be included.)
Extras ported over from previous DVD editions of 'T2' include a pair of audio commentaries, the first with over 26 cast & crew members, the second with Cameron and screenwriter William Wisher.
New to the Blu-ray version is a picture-in-picture track with behind-the-scenes video, text commentaries and multimedia galleries; a storyboard-and-script mode (allowing you to view storyboards and read the script while watching the film), and interactive quizzes and games. The disc will also come D-Box-enhanced and BD-Live-enabled, with additional downloadable content promised, including more games and other features (TBA).
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http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/2532) source
The cover sucks though.
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https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1174)
Inline Image:
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7738/originalp.jpg