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Tocky on 12/12/2007 at 02:50

Quote Posted by Vivian

That argument is so circular its virtually fucking itself.

This was the best thing about this thread. I have to remember that one.

As for the subject, we are not virtually fucking ourselves. Much to our misfortune. 80 degrees F in December for a full week? Fuck you that is normal. I'm old enough to remember normal. Kid yourselves awhile longer if it helps.

jtr7 on 12/12/2007 at 03:34

I notice major components of these "circular" arguments, addressed in CommChat right now, are natural cycles. Coincidence?:wot:

:p

Starrfall on 12/12/2007 at 14:45

I have a real question!

Do you dudes in other states get radio commercials and stuff that talk about CFL's and low energy appliances and stuff? Cause those are like energy conservation for dummies and I refuse to believe anyone who's heard them has no idea what to do. Just the other day the radio was going on about how if everyone in California switched out one incandescent for a CFL it'd be like taking 40,000 cars off the road.

I don't know how true that is but CFL's definitely help drop the power bills and they last for fucking ever so I'm a fan.

Anyways we've got this whole campaign: (http://www.fypower.org/)
As I recall it actually grew out of the big power crisis we had around 7 years ago when the big worry was rolling blackouts, but it's morphed well and it's not like it's hard to find the info you want here, it only takes a little bit of educational effort. Those ads are so common here that I never wondered if other states do anything similar. (It also lets you find incentives in your area, here's a sample: (http://www.fypower.org/res/tools/rgl_results.html?z=93111&s=res&c=Appliances#1) )

You guys who don't know what to do at least know that electricity use can be pretty fucking dirty if it's being produced by coal burning power plants, right?

Supposedly if everyone in the country matched the reductions California's been able to get we'd be in compliance with Kyoto. It's not like this shit is super hard.

Although if global warming destroyed the world in time for me to not take the rest of my own finals I'd be ok with that.

Edit: also I would like it to be above 40 degrees when I go to school today please.

Matthew on 12/12/2007 at 15:09

Speaking of CFLs, I see the British papers appear to be trying for a bit of a 'oh noes mercury!!1' backlash about them this weather, along with the commencement of a voluntary phase-out process for incandescent bulbs by several big UK retailers.

Starrfall on 12/12/2007 at 15:29

If you don't eat them and dispose of them properly, it's probably ok.

David on 12/12/2007 at 15:34

You're not the boss of me.

Starrfall on 12/12/2007 at 15:38

Fine eat them if you want.

Thief13x on 12/12/2007 at 16:13

Quote Posted by Starrfall

Although if global warming destroyed the world in time for me to not take the rest of my own finals I'd be ok with that.

ha, ditto, unfortunatly its only been in the 70's this week when I have to walk to my finals;)

I remmember hearing somewhere that if everyone started using fluorescent bulbs, the mecury content would become a big issue unless everyone was recycling.

I use two blacklights, a lavalamp, my fishtank light, and a christmaslight type spool from spencers light to light my apartment, its really low on energy and soothing at night (everything's soft blue). I even turn the brightness, contrast, and gamma down as far as it will go on my laptop and my eyes adjust to the lower light in the room in a few minutes. Plus the blacklights make reading anything on paper like reading it in the daytime.

Starrfall on 12/12/2007 at 21:32

CFLs are the spiraly ones, yes. I blame your wiring if they don't last long for you, because so far I have never had to replace a CFL (time periods up to two years), whereas incandescents like nothing better than to burn out when you have no replacements and then you have to do without for days or weeks because lightbulbs are the easiest thing to forget you need.

If you don't like the light they put off that's fair, but these days you can find them in all kinds of light spectrums, from cold to warm to "sunlight", unless you live in the great frozen north and are using experimental CFLs from soviet-era Ukraine.

The one annoying thing is that sometimes they take a minute or two to warm up and actually put off a decent amount of light, but only the cheap ikea ones we have do that.

This post is totally gonna jinx me and I expect every CFL in the house to go out tonight.

nickie on 12/12/2007 at 22:45

Some (http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/climate/cfl-bulbs-the-myths) information from Greenpeace aimed at UK audience. Yes I know. But even so. Some extracts.

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Don’t they flicker?
They used to. It all depends on whether one particular component, the ballast, is magnetic or electronic.

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The light they produce is cold and white
. . . CFLs are now available in all sorts of colours and tones, producing a very similar quality of light to incandescent bulbs.

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CFLs contain more mercury than incandescents
All CFLs and fluorescent tubes contain a small amount of mercury, which is key in producing the light . . . but incandescents are probably responsible for more mercury emissions than CFLs . . .

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I had one and it broke really quickly
As with most products, there’s a huge range of quality out there. When you’re buying CFLs, look out for the Energy Saving logo, which means the bulb is accredited by the Energy Saving Trust and has been stringently tested.

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The range is really small
Not any more! Check out our gallery and have a look at the range of more than 100 varieties available from this retailer.

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Aren’t they really expensive?
While the prices of CFLs vary hugely . . . you can get good quality CFLs for as little as 49p at several major retailers . . . Replacing the most frequently used bulbs in your home with CFLs can save up to £9 a year on bills, or £100 over the lifetime of the bulb.