fett on 21/12/2005 at 01:48
The copywrite responsibility is on the club owners in that situation - they (should) pay a montly fee to BMI or ASCAP. You, the musician, usually get to pay taxes unless the place pays in cash (most do).
jay pettitt on 21/12/2005 at 01:55
...so it ought to be possible for a TABs site to do something similar and advertise or charge $1 per iTABs or something to cover a contribution to BMI/ASCAP. Assuming they're not all thrown in jail first.
Stitch on 21/12/2005 at 07:00
Quote Posted by fett
In the original band I make about....no wait....I LOSE about $220 a month toward promotion, equipment payments, studio time, etc.
oh sweet christ isn't that the truth :(
Shug on 21/12/2005 at 09:03
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also fuck you I am writing this from an internet kiosk in Cairns and Shug is gonna get a midnight arse visit from the TABKING. fucking scroll pads they really suck arse.
What is this curious mixture of fear and arousal
bassmanret on 21/12/2005 at 15:04
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I make roughly $5,000 - $6,500 a month working about 6-8 nights
:eek: Holy Freakin' Cripes, fett! What kind of venues are paying you that kind of money? Are you opening for major acts? ARE YOU a major act?
I'm in cover bands now strictly for fun and a little beer-money, but it was my only source of income for a period of about 10 years, and only very, VERY rarely did I make that kind of cash, and I HAVE opened for major acts on more than a few occasions. For the most part, any musician in Florida, Texas, and Michigan (places I've lived and worked as a musician) was and still is lucky to make $100 per night at any club I've ever heard of.
Load up the truck, Ethel, we're moving to Arkansas!! :)
Pitch on 21/12/2005 at 15:56
Quote Posted by jay pettitt
...well I guess they think there is a market in publishing music notation.
Obviously I think the big music biz consists almost entirely of morally bankrupt self servicing parasitical snivelling degenerate fucktards. But unofficial TABs is simple copyright infringement. Kids don't have a right to learn guitar you know, you lot will be suggesting children ought to be allowed to steal from mother america by drawing their favourite cartoon characters next. Want to enjoy commercial music? Pay for it - preferably in blood (or opiates, or genome patents). Do as you're told.
Oh, so it's all about "Damn, we earned only xx billion dollars this year! We NEED
MUCH MORE!!!":mad:
fett on 21/12/2005 at 17:00
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Load up the truck, Ethel, we're moving to Arkansas!!
For all of the ridicule, Little Rock actually has a great music scene. We're right between Dallas and Memphis so everyone comes through here - especially smallish, more 'underground' bands that tend to play 200-300 seat cozy venues.
At the same time, we have a river market district that butts up against the new Clinton Library and the now infamous Peabody hotel (can't remember what it was called when the Paula Jones thing happened). The river market has everything from street musicians to piano bars, rock clubs, and open air venues - the weekends are awesome.
On average we'll make roughly $600 per night in a good club + about $100 - 200 in tips. There's four of us, so obviously this isn't where the big money is, though the gigs are more fun. The big money is through a local agency that hooks us up for corporate parties which typically pay between $1500 and $3500 depending on the size. We've played everything from xmas parties to house parties for such companies, and people tend to tip generously at these gatherings as well.
The ironic part is that most people who work for these companies are slightly older than me (late 30's-late 40's) and we get away with playing Alice in Chains, the Cure, Metallica, NIN, and other stuff you wouldn't normally associate with a 'cover' band - we actually get to play music by bands that we like, though there's also some stuff I could do without. Most of the time it's songs I'd be covering in an original band just because I like the song or artist, so all in all, it's not a bad way to make the house payment.
Then I take part of that money and dump it into my original band which can only get one or two gigs a month, usually opening for someone bigger - hopefully that changes in the near future. Since Little Rock gets relatively 'big' original acts on a regular basis, it's a much tougher market for local originals.
bassmanret on 21/12/2005 at 17:26
Fett, I didn't mean to sound like I was ridiculing Arkansas. No offense intended.
I find this very interesting. If all you say is true (and I believe it is), Little Rock sounds like a very lucrative place for musicians. Surprisingly (at least to me), it blows Florida (Orlando and Daytona areas) out of the water. I've done many corporate parties, mostly at the Disney World hotels, which paid half as much and less as those you describe, and the club pay you mention is around twice what these areas pay. Worse, at the Disney gigs, they even dictate what you must wear onstage. If some pictures of me in some of those getups ever surface, I'll be paying someone alot of money to make them disappear. :)
Good luck with the original stuff. Rock On! :thumb:
fett on 21/12/2005 at 18:35
Yeah - it took us about three years to get into the better paying places, but the persistence paid off. We eventually quit driving to Memphis and Deep Elum (Dallas) when we got into the River Market places.
Oneiroscope on 22/12/2005 at 09:08
Jiminy Christmas.:rolleyes:
Okay, I can maybe possibly theorhetically see where file sharing and that kind of thing could hurt profits for The Unholy, I mean the record companies. But TABS? Especially ONLINE tabs? Sure, if they are publishing copyrighted tabs without pernmission, that's one thing. But the stuff that was done by some guy in Minnesota by ear... Come on.
I use those kinds of tabs occasionally. If I need to learn a song in a hurry, they can save a smidge of time or at least point me in the right direction. Most of the time though, they are so inaccurate that I KNOW I will end up having to figure it out for myself anyway. I really dont see how those tabs represent a real threat to the revenues of recording artist or record companies. Next they are going to go after every cover band in the world. "How DARE you play Freebird without permission!!!!!!!!!!" Holy fuck.:eww: I'm going to end up going to jail. We played Freebird like forty million times. I'm going to go to jail for GODDAM FREEBIRD!!!:tsktsk:
