june gloom on 17/12/2017 at 20:27
So am I still ruining TTLG?
Goldmoon Dawn on 17/12/2017 at 20:38
What the...
dethtoll!
SubJeff on 17/12/2017 at 22:38
Quote Posted by dethtoll
So am I still ruining TTLG?
You never were.
Kolya on 18/12/2017 at 00:44
Quote Posted by Starker
So, let's take the babysitter example. If several people told you that a babysitter has mistreated their children, would you hire that babysitter? Moreover, if you did hire them, would you treat them as if they were innocent and not check up on them?
This analogy is just as flawed. You and I are not the employers. And those film companies are not ending actor careers because someone of ill repute might mistreat their baby. You are forgetting the 3rd party here that is yourself and the role you are playing in the actual events.
You're part of the public who believes any awful story and thereby puts pressure on those film companies to dump their money horses without waiting for due process. They wouldn't do it without you. How does that fit into your babysitter story?
Starker on 18/12/2017 at 01:37
The babysitter example is just to show that we don't live our lives by the principles that courts follow. You can make up your own mind about someone without relying on a court decision. I wasn't making the example as an analogy of the situation.
Also, I'm not someone who believes just about any awful story, like you are insinuating. The Weinstein story, for example, had lots of evidence and witnesses speaking out. It's not like just some random accuser made an anonymous comment on Twitter -- this story was well researched and corroborated with multiple sources.
As for film companies, how do you know that they haven't had problems with an actor's behaviour before? They have a better idea how people behave on set than the public does. Yes, public scandals do force their hand, but you're assuming that the companies are basing their decisions on nothing more than hearsay.
SD on 18/12/2017 at 01:47
Quote Posted by Renzatic
Damn, SD. I know you and Sub have your differences, but still. Think you could tone down the antagonism a bit?
You're directing that at me despite the fact that the
opening post in the thread refers to me as an idiot?
SD on 18/12/2017 at 01:51
Quote Posted by SubJeff
It doesn't ruin his live though SD, and that's the fundamental thing you seem unable to grasp.
"Unable to grasp" because it's complete horseshit. How is someone's life ruined because I think they are probably an abuser?
Essentially you want to be able to use hearsay to form a judgment about a person when it suits you, while condemning other people for using hearsay to form a judgment about a person when it suits you. There are words for that, and none of them are good.
Renzatic on 18/12/2017 at 02:29
Quote Posted by SD
You're directing that at me despite the fact that the
opening post in the thread refers to me as an idiot?
Good point. Not sure how I missed that.
Subjeff. Don't insult people, goddamnit. When you insult people, they get bitchy. When they get bitchy, they start reporting posts. When they start reporting posts, I have to start giving warnings, and handing out time outs. Don't make me do this. We can have a heated political discussion without getting stupid.
If you find yourself unable to handle a contrary opinion with any grace or poise, then don't even bother responding. All you're doing is kicking a shitball down the dung heap hill.
june gloom on 18/12/2017 at 06:38
Quote Posted by SubJeff
You never were.
That's the nicest thing you've ever said to me and so I immediately distrust it.
Renault on 18/12/2017 at 18:00
I thought both you guys quit this place. I should have known you were just a bunch of drama queens.
