N'Al on 17/12/2017 at 13:11
Do we really need yet another (terrible) thread on this topic? Why doesn’t this get merged with the older thread?
icemann on 17/12/2017 at 15:01
Because the other one got closed. Things got too toxic.
SD on 17/12/2017 at 16:19
Quote Posted by Starker
So, let's take the babysitter example. If several people told you that a babysitter has mistreated their children, would you hire that babysitter? Moreover, if you did hire them, would you treat them as if they were innocent and not check up on them?
An excellent question. Don't expect any of the innocence fundamentalists to answer it.
SubJeff on 17/12/2017 at 16:28
Quote Posted by Starker
In criminal court, the evidence was deemed to be not sufficient beyond a reasonable doubt. In civil court, the evidence was enough.
There's a different standard for determining culpability, isn't there?
Anyway Starker, I get your point. It's true - anyone can come to their own conclusion and your opinion is yours. No problem.
People also shouldn't have a problem if people think they're dumb or arseholes for holding certain opinions though. I think it's very uncharitable and uncompassionate to not recognise the plight of wrongfully accused men in these situations. I know mothers of young men who are pretty terrified of these situations. I guess it's lucky that uni students, in the UK at least, drink much less than they did in my day (the 90s) so there's probably going to be less waking up with someone you wouldn't have slept with sober.
I'm just vocal when I think someone's opinion is silly, and I thought SDs was pretty harsh. If it happened to him, a close family member or friend he'd change his tune. These people do, like racists who accidentally end up mates with someone of the race they hated.
SubJeff on 17/12/2017 at 16:32
Re: the babysitter (cuz SD and I x-posted).
This is a different situation to losing your proper job. If it were a proper job you'd have a contract and you'd be dismissed with a clear case for it.
The babysitter example is no different to the kid who mows the lawns. You hear from your neighbours that he does a bad job and mows the rose garden so you don't hire him.
SD on 17/12/2017 at 17:21
Quote Posted by SubJeff
The babysitter example is no different to the kid who mows the lawns. You hear from your neighbours that he does a bad job and mows the rose garden so you don't hire him.
But he hasn't been found guilty in a court of law of doing a bad job.
I hope you are able to live with yourself :mad:
Renzatic on 17/12/2017 at 17:49
Damn, SD. I know you and Sub have your differences, but still. Think you could tone down the antagonism a bit?
SubJeff on 17/12/2017 at 17:49
It doesn't ruin his live though SD, and that's the fundamental thing you seem unable to grasp.
You know what's interesting - this article is being discussed at another forum I go on, which is why I brought it here. The attitudes there are completely different. Most people think it shocking that these cases occur and there are far more female members in that forum. It's interesting to see the difference. Enlightening even.
icemann on 17/12/2017 at 18:44
On the babysitter question. Say you were that babysitter and hadn't actually done anything, and was wrongly accused for whatever reason (the other person having a mental disability, really hating you / wanting to destroy you etc etc).
What you do once proven innocent (hopefully) is take the company that fired you to court and sue their asses.
To use a non-related completely different situation as an example (of false slander and sueing them). Rebel Wilson of Pitch Perfect fame was falsely accused of lying about her entire life and the company responsible (a magazine company) tried to ruin her life. All the movie companies believed the lies and she stopped getting roles. Career ruined. Why? Who knows. They apparently knew it was lies they were telling but did it anyway to ruin her.
Long story short. She took those responsible to court, won, and luckily her careers back on track. So its not even just singular persons out to ruin a person for no good reason at all but also large companies.
What can a person hope to do if wrongly accused? Sue and thats about it. Your only other choice is either:
* Live in a cave for the rest of your life
* Accept the label you've been given and actually be that kinda person (fuck that).
Or
* Commit suicide
SubJeff on 17/12/2017 at 19:03
You could move to another city/country/continent.
Or just say, stuff happens, get over it and get on with life.
