Renault on 18/1/2018 at 20:04
Yeah, he didn't do anything wrong legally, and it certainly wasn't sexual assault, but he absolutely came off as a complete asshole. "Where do you want me to fuck you?" Not exactly Prince Charming.
SubJeff on 18/1/2018 at 23:05
That's pretty judgemental. You think he hasn't done this before? How do you know that the women he usually pulls aren't into that?
Renzatic on 18/1/2018 at 23:16
They could be. A lot of women are. But it's hard to deny he failed to read the mood that night of the drama.
He kept trying to force what wasn't happening, which is pretty tactless no matter how you cut it.
Renault on 18/1/2018 at 23:23
SE, read the entire article. If you're still defending his behavior, then you're the only one on the planet doing so.
Kolya on 18/1/2018 at 23:49
Her ill-advised attempt to gain some sort of post-factual control of the situation has led to half the world questioning her wine choices. Even if she brought this on herself, the forces at work here (from either side) are terrible for any individual.
Tocky on 18/1/2018 at 23:57
One thing on his behalf: he hasn't outed her the way she did him. He could. He could be just as vindictive but so far has not despite the hate he has received and that is decent of him.
Or has he?
heywood on 19/1/2018 at 01:59
Outing her name is going to bring more negative attention to him than her. Better to let this fade away. The story is juicy but it doesn't have a lot of substance to keep it in the news.
My synopsis: Girl chases a celeb, celeb thinks he's going to fuck a groupie, girl thinks she's dating a celeb, celeb acts like a drunken fraternity boy and tries whatever he can think of to bang her, girl tries to go along with it for a while but ultimately doesn't want it, so they call it a night, she complains to him afterward and he apologizes for pushing it. She tells her friends, who talk her into a sexual assault narrative, and bring it to the attention of an opportunistic web reporter who makes it go viral by including some gratuitous descriptions of their foreplay. In short, a celeb tries to get sex from a star struck young woman and fails. A reporter tries to take advantage of the same young woman and succeeds.
This seems so far removed from where #metoo started that I can't believe we've spent pages on it.
Pyrian on 19/1/2018 at 03:56
Quote Posted by heywood
This seems so far removed from where #metoo started that I can't believe we've spent pages on it.
Eh, the whole discussion originated with using whataboutism to exonerate Weinstein-level issues. If anything, the Aziz situation (a celebrity accusation lacking any criminal indictment) is waaay more relevant than the link in the original post (an indicted non-celebrity whose charges were dropped as more evidence was belatedly processed).
Renzatic on 19/1/2018 at 04:12
Weinstein never would've faced indictment, since the accusations came to light so far after the fact, the statute of limitations had long since run out. It was more about the calling out, the bringing to task those who had built a solid reputation for rape and harassment, but who's position shielded them from seeing any real punishment out of fear of reprisal. #metoo is about the stand against the media moguls, the Hollywood actors, the CEOs of the world who have gotten away with being harassing bastards for far too long.
But Aziz? He was just an idiot who's crimes are nowhere near worthy enough to be put up alongside Weinstein, Spacey, and the like.
Pyrian on 19/1/2018 at 04:49
Yeah. But still more relevant than the case that began the thread. It's all about using unrelated cases to try and push "innocent until proven guilty" outside of criminal law, protecting Weinstein and the like from any consequences whatsoever.