Kolya on 13/1/2018 at 00:47
Quote Posted by Tocky
All this rioting in the streets and stoning men with a wild abandon of the law is a mans fantasy (that is purposeful hyperbole so no accusations of straw man please).
When people are losing their jobs and their reputation that's not a fantasy. And since women can also see it, it's not even an exclusively male point of view. It's just a point that you refuse to acknowledge.
Meanwhile I fully acknowledge that many women are being disadvantaged and abused. But I disagree with the methods that #metoo brought forth to right this wrong.
Because I believe that in order to achieve your legal rights you cannot start by dismantling the legal rights of others.
The truth is that harassment and abuse will remain after #metoo. Not because of some backlash, but because of how ineffectual this "movement" acted, it will receive a bigger footnote in Hollywood than in feminist history. Possibly even a remake of The Crucible.
Kolya on 13/1/2018 at 01:01
Quote Posted by Starker
Since when is speaking out about harassment and sexual abuse an ideology?
It isn't as such. But like any good cause, it can become one. If you start naming people you better have evidence. You don't take sides and frolic at the sight of people being punished without due process. Simple things.
Starker on 13/1/2018 at 01:08
Whose legal rights have been eroded? People are still legally protected against both defamation and being fired without cause.
And if you can't prove it, you should shut up about it? Is that what you're saying?
Also, nobody expected #metoo to solve the problem of harassment and abuse. The point of it was to highlight how widespread the problem is and to initiate dialogue.
Tony_Tarantula on 13/1/2018 at 02:53
[video=youtube;1BoGDXe9spc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BoGDXe9spc[/video]
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Whose legal rights have been eroded? People are still legally protected against both defamation and being fired without cause.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment)
Starker on 13/1/2018 at 03:10
In that case, these people didn't have legal rights in the first place. But people who are under contract still have their rights.
Tony_Tarantula on 13/1/2018 at 03:16
Quote Posted by Starker
In that case, these people didn't have legal rights in the first place. But people who are under contract still have their rights.
Which is most states in the union.
And for all practical purposes they can get around those legal rights by claiming "reputational risk" when they fire you.
SubJeff on 13/1/2018 at 10:45
Quote Posted by Starker
People are still legally protected against both defamation and being fired without cause.
Ha ha ha ha ha ah ah ahhhh
And how long does that take? Does it restore your reputation?
If you can't prove it maybe you should shut up, lest you spout nonsense. If you're not prepared to take it to court do you think it's really fair to accuse people on social media? The best they can do is ignore it, the worst is call you out and then have your hoards of idiot fans rally against them.
This is one of the big problems - innocent people cannot win.
For your consideration: (
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jan/13/liam-neeson-says-harassment-allegations-have-become-a-witch-hunt)
Please explain to me how the law re: defamation has helped Garrison Keillor.
Kolya on 13/1/2018 at 16:09
I think she does good in pointing out the weird mind/body-duality in Deneuve's letter. But did she really have to recount Millet's sexual adventures for that? It smacks of trying to disqualify Millet from the dialogue because of her sexual deviance.
