Tocky on 10/1/2018 at 00:37
Right. There was no drama before. Ah the sweet spring of youth when we all blushed at the sound of disagreement.
Renzatic on 10/1/2018 at 00:42
Oh, there was drama before. Plenty of it. But recently? It's been weird, strange stuff.
Kolya on 10/1/2018 at 00:51
It's like porn. You start with noticing your sister's all grown up and before you know you're into all kinds of weird, strange kinks.
Renzatic on 10/1/2018 at 01:22
I wouldn't know. I don't have a sister.
Got plenty of cousins, though! :D
Kolya on 10/1/2018 at 07:42
Quote Posted by Renzatic
I wouldn't know. I don't have a sister.
Got plenty of cousins, though! :D
Point is, drama threads were always weird and strange to begin with.
It sounds like that actress changed her mind and is trying to raise the price. But it's not clear what their relation was at the time of filming or even what "a film she made for him" means.
Was she still his student? Was she financially dependent on him? Did he instruct her to go nude or was it artistic advice? What was he to her?
Before these questions it's impossible to judge the situation.
Kolya on 10/1/2018 at 10:24
This is quite interesting, including the reactions.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/09/movies/catherine-deneuve-and-others-denounce-the-metoo-movement.html)
I'm beginning to think that the division line here also goes along a generational gap. After all sexuality is also a big part of self expression and is formed by the social mores of the times.
It used to be normal that the hero of the film would forcibly kiss a woman because there was an expectation for men to "take women" who themselves were appointed the role of a sexual gatekeeper.
And that were their roles, whether men felt comfortable with this aggressive act or women actually wanted sex.
The older generation may fear this sort of roleplay to vanish and they themselves hence to be robbed of their sexual self expression and identity. And to be marked as uncivilized in history.
I don't think simply labeling this as "internalized misogyny" does justice to any of this.
icemann on 10/1/2018 at 15:15
That's a very interesting one. So if your employed for a specific role which includes nude scenes, feel uncomfortable but don't make it known that you are and sign up for it and do the role and accept the pay, then later say you weren't alright with it and want compensation. Who is "right" and who is "wrong" in that scenario?
My opinions that the wrong person would be the one that did not speak up, though it's a very grey area type thing.
Taking anything sexual out the equation, if you go for a job and are told the details then and there of exactly what the job entails and you agree and do the job, then legally that would be waiving any sort of compensation related stuff would it not?
If this had been a case of the nude stuff not being mentioned at all in the contract and then it being revealed only on the day of it or later just prior, then that would be a completely different story. Am I the only one in this opinion?
Starker on 10/1/2018 at 16:05
As Salma Hayek said in her #metoo story about the same kind of situation:
Quote:
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/13/opinion/contributors/salma-hayek-harvey-weinstein.html)
But why do so many of us, as female artists, have to go to war to tell our stories when we have so much to offer? Why do we have to fight tooth and nail to maintain our dignity?
I think it is because we, as women, have been devalued artistically to an indecent state, to the point where the film industry stopped making an effort to find out what female audiences wanted to see and what stories we wanted to tell.
According to a (
http://annenberg.usc.edu/sites/default/files/2017/04/06/MDSCI_Inclusion%20_in_the_Directors_Chair.pdf) recent study, between 2007 and 2016, only 4 percent of directors were female and 80 percent of those got the chance to make only one film. In 2016, another study found, only 27 percent of words spoken in the biggest movies were spoken by women. And people wonder why you didn’t hear our voices sooner. I think the statistics are self-explanatory — our voices are not welcome.
Until there is equality in our industry, with men and women having the same value in every aspect of it, our community will continue to be a fertile ground for predators.
I am grateful for everyone who is listening to our experiences. I hope that adding my voice to the chorus of those who are finally speaking out will shed light on why it is so difficult, and why so many of us have waited so long. Men sexually harassed because they could. Women are talking today because, in this new era, we finally can.
If you read her story, you can see that not everything that is contractual is necessarily consensual.
icemann on 10/1/2018 at 16:49
The catch 22 to that, is that if that is deemed not consensual then any job could theoretically result in claims from someone not being happy with the work they do.
