WingedKagouti on 21/3/2019 at 13:03
Quote Posted by PigLick
Origin is not a streaming service though, you download the games and can play them offline. Its not "enough" value, its exactly the value I was expecting. I am firmly in the "hardcore gamer" market and Stadia doesnt interest me at all.
I think you're selling Stadia (or at least what Google seems to be aiming for) short.
They're essentially promising the ability to play Metro Exodus, God of War, Super Mario Oddysey, Cyberpunk 2077, Assassin's Creed (current version), Battlefield 5, Call of Duty, Overwatch, Fortnite, Apex, or whatever else is popular at the moment without having to own a specific console or run a bunch of different clients (other than Stadia). And (likely) without having to fork over a $60+ entry fee for each title. If the price point is $15/month that's equivalent of getting to play 3 major titles you "own" every year, without considering the cost of obtaining any hardware beyond a controller and a smart TV (or a cell phone). If it runs as well as they promise and the selection of games is going to include every major title, they could likely ask for $20-30/month and still get a ton of subscribers because at that point it'd put every other offer currently on the market to shame.
If they manage to do that.
But they haven't released the system/service yet, they haven't announced a price point and they haven't publically secured deals to have every major title on their service yet. And there are a lot of concerns to be had for sure, but some of those concerns (like availablility of older titles) are largely irrelevant to a significant portion of people who consider themselves gamers.
PigLick on 21/3/2019 at 13:12
Well I logged into Origin today and there was a message saying "Orwell will be removed from Access as of April" (the game Orwell that is). Hmm.
Now I dont really care because as soon as I have finished and had my fill of Mass Effect I will be canceling my account, but its not a great precedent.
Also you wont be able to play Metro Exodus cos its an Epic exclusive, right?
twisty on 21/3/2019 at 13:37
Quote Posted by Yakoob
Personally, I think this is a long-strategy, preparing for when 5G rolls out and internet accessibility improves enough to make it possible.
Eh. Isn't that what I said? I guess no one reads my posts :p
Anyway, I think that by the time that this takes off they should have come up with a better name. Sounds as catchy as Stevia.
froghawk on 22/3/2019 at 04:13
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
You never own the games, not even with the slightest pretence of owning them, since you have no copy of the game data yourself. If you want to play it, you have to pay, probably as part of a subscription. As soon as you stop paying, you can't play it any more. You can never play these games offline, never mod them, never manipulate them in any way.
I just wrote several paragraphs about a streaming service where do own the games...
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
If the subscriber pays per hour of game time, then games would get needlessly drawn out to keep the players playing boring content for longer.
No way - I think games will get shorted because gaming time becomes more precious that way. Waste a gamer's time with bullshit when they're paying by the hour and they'll stop playing your game.
Quote Posted by icemann
Compare that to the US where it's something like 1gbps (or 1000mbps) as a standard. The world's communication tech isn't ready for this yet.
What? 1000? I've got 150 and that's really high for my area, and I live in a major city.
icemann on 22/3/2019 at 04:48
Is it? Ah ok. I stand corrected. Was watching a Youtube video (from Boogie2988) where he mentioned having a gigabit connection, and I've been hearing for a longtime that even the best NBN speeds here in Aus were far bellow US and Japanese internet speeds available.
I'll be getting the NBN in a few weeks. Cant wait :). Be jumping from 10mbps to 45mbps. As I've started streaming, having a good speed is important.
Sulphur on 22/3/2019 at 04:59
GeForce Now's an interesting idea in that you're not subscribing to access content, you're subscribing to what is, essentially, hardware. Like renting a compute cluster, but for gaming. Personally, I find that idea more palatable than the Netflix for Gaming angle that Stadia's going for.
I usually tell people to write down the pros/cons for things if they're making important decisions. This isn't one, but the pros and cons sounded intriguing, so:
+ Instant access to a smorgasbord of games!
- But you can't own* them, don't get to choose them, and that game you like can rotate out of the service at any time
+ Doesn't need to run from a box that's always going to be outmoded at some later date!
- Needs high-bandwidth internet and low latency, so good luck if your connection is metered, is unreliable, or not close enough to a Google Data Centre
+ Cheaper than buying all those games!
+- If you as a consumer prefer to dip in and out of the latest games, this makes sense in the short term. Pay up when something interests you, close your wallet when it doesn't. In the long term, you've paid for time played, not access at will to specific games for an indefinite period of time. Your consumer habits dictate how you feel about this.
- You'll never get a chance to buy an offline copy of that game you really, really like if it's a platform exclusive
- Welcome to always online machine learning algorithms that profile your personality through how you express yourself in games - won't it be fun when they can get it to parse your banter in multiplayer?
- Of course the games will be ad-supported and the ads will be user-profile targeted
- Offline play? Uh. What?
Frankly, the over-riding factor is convenience and cost. We as consumers are quick to give up benefits/change priorities in exchange for instant and non-fussy access to something at a low enough price. Google knows this, so the real play they have to make to get traction is choosing the right price.
If it isn't clear, I'm not a fan of the entire paradigm. Too many technology ifs buts and maybes. Too many things we take for granted being given up. Too many implications that aren't exactly easy to sleep with at night. So no thanks, Google. I don't think so.
TL;DR - I prefer my games a la carte, so that's where I'm staying.
*yes, I know, you don't technically own games you buy, you simply get a limited license. In practical terms it doesn't make much of a difference since the license is, in effect, indefinite.
froghawk on 11/4/2019 at 14:39
Welp, Geforce Now just removed the ability to install unsupported games. It was fun while it lasted... on the plus side, it seems that virtually none of the users are ok with this decision, so maybe something will come of the backlash.
nam67190 on 24/4/2019 at 15:27
Cloud gaming has been on the market for quite a while but no one was able to launch it to this extent. Though I'm still curious what will be the input lag while playing
twisty on 7/6/2019 at 05:14
Google have just announced that they will launch Stadia in selected countries in November for US$9.99 per month with an initial selection of ~30 games:
Quote:
Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2, Doom Eternal, Doom (2016), Rage 2, The Elder Scrolls Online, Wolfenstein: Youngblood, Destiny 2, Get Packed, Grid, Metro Exodus, Thumper, Farming Simulator 19, Baldur's Gate 3, Power Rangers: Battle for the Grid, Football Manager, Samurai Shodown, Final Fantasy XV, Tomb Raider Definitive Edition, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, NBA 2K, Borderlands 3, Gylt, Mortal Kombat 11, Darksiders Genesis, Assassin's Creed Odyssey, Just Dance, Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Breakpoint, Tom Clancy's The Division 2, Trials Rising, and The Crew 2.
Source: ("https://www.engadget.com/2019/06/06/google-stadia-pro-founders-edition-price/?utm_campaign=homepage&utm_medium=internal&utm_source=dl&guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZW5nYWRnZXQuY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABcvKv0Cy-vfpcgDH9Zr31dGNjdxcNDDZRKzI5sSwu1FGZfsNpyGFDM1UohSKNDOgyqwwvhqcP316oy9dCuEPr8DLyefMOKFlxFyUNZrhm71MfI-_B7gGGtleJrBuYe84xXrOD92BKncJ7yALNSXkEMyfSzCWqgBCiTsn0mwueiA") Engadget
Renault on 7/6/2019 at 05:28
But to play on it this year, you're forced to buy their "Founders Edition" for $130, which includes a controller, a Chromecast dongle, and a 3 month subscription.