bikerdude on 9/8/2008 at 10:10
Quote Posted by LarryG
Maybe someone can recommend models available in the USA to help me narrow down my research. Thanks anyhow.
Ah ok,
well try this, take thief on a laptop and small black blanket (or same such)
head on over to a shop/s with your selected monitors and chuck the blanket over your head and the monitor and try thief...:cheeky: :joke:
biker
242 on 9/8/2008 at 10:31
NEC 20WGX2 Pro here in my city (Ukraine) costs about 660USD. I bought my Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 740 SB (17" CRT) for 250USD about 4 years ago, and having compared picture quality in games and movies, well.... my old CRT wins without reserve. But yes, choosing from LCDs, the thing is the least one should buy for games and graphics, IMO.
Hiatus on 9/8/2008 at 16:16
Quote Posted by Bikerdude
The Hp LP2475w only has a contrast ratio of 1000:1 so if it has tube backlighting its gonna be worse than my NEC.
biker, I don't understand this bit - could you explain it, please? HP has contrast of 1000:1 while NEC 20WGX2 Pro got 700:1, yet HP is worse - how? Isn't DV mode of NEC (contrast ratio of 1500:1) also some sort of dynamic contrast, like in these new 22'' TN LCDs (which already have dynamic contrast up to 50000:1 or more now) - or is it *real* contrast in this case (= better than DC)?
or maybe you mean that NEC has higher brightness than HP (NEC: 470 cd/m2; HP 400 cd/m2)? What effect does it have?
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1. good black levels - lower than
? lower than what?
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another matter/Q: pixel pitch of NEC is (only) 0,258 mm - isn't it too small for normal Windows use (isn't text etc on screen too small)? HP has PP of 0,270 mm, so it's slightly better (but still lower than normal 19'' non-widescreen LCDs which have 0,294 mm. I have access to 17'' non-WS which has 0,264 mm (more than NEC) and it's already too small for me :-/).
bikerdude on 9/8/2008 at 17:31
Quote Posted by Hiatus
biker, I don't understand this bit - could you explain it, please? HP has contrast of 1000:1 while NEC 20WGX2 Pro got 700:1
these new 22'' TN LCDs (which already have dynamic contrast up to 50000:1 or more now) - or is it *real* contrast in this case (= better than DC)?or maybe you mean that NEC has higher brightness than HP (NEC: 470 cd/m2; HP 400 cd/m2)? What effect does it have?
The HP has a max contrast ratio of 1000:1, the NEC with Dynamic contrast mode 1600:1 (the native contrast ration is 700:1) - the HP has no such dynamic contrast, hence why i said the HP would be worse.
These figures are designed to mislead the average consumer, a lot of monitors are now coming out with super amazing contrast ratios, ie 10000:1 and 50000:1 - this is only possible because said monitors are so bloody bright that they rival the sun itself...:cheeky: And in answer to the max brightness of said monitors, these figures are the average brightness under calibrated conditions - I'll hazard a educated guess that said monitor's are far brighter at full/max brightness & contrast settings.
I have looked up close at the Samsung and LG monitors with prevously mentioned ratios and I have done a simple black level test by cupping my hands on the monitor screen(to block out the surround ambient light from the shop) and I'm sorry to say their black levels are no better than my NEC. This is inherent because they have florescent tube back lighting and until LED back lighting becomes the norm, black levels will never be low enough in my book. In fact when was the last time you ever saw a manufacturer list the black level of a monitor....?
Quote Posted by Hiatus
? lower than what?
CRT = typical 0.01 cd/m² (candella per metre squared)
LCD = best so far 0.2-0.3 cd/m²
On an LCD this level is dictated by how much light the LCD can filter/block. With the advent of LED back lighting, the theory is that LED's under dark areas of the screen can be dimmed and even turned off all together which would produce no light at all, eg. perfect and complete black!
Quote Posted by Hiatus
another matter/Q: pixel pitch of NEC is (only) 0,258 mm - isn't it too small for normal Windows use (isn't text etc on screen too small)? HP has PP of 0,270 mm, so it's slightly better (but still lower than normal 19'' non-widescreen LCDs which have 0,294 mm. I have access to 17'' non-WS which has 0,264 mm (more than NEC) and it's already too small for me :-/).
I have average eyes (but a picky brain) and I find the NEC to be the sharpest monitor I have used or tested. The text is perfectly and very readable at 0.5m distance and at the native resolution of 1680*1050. The reason the dot pitch is higher on the HP is because its a 24" as opposed to the NEC being a 20". And the cheaper 17/19" screens of course have a higher dot pitch - because they are cheap! You put the NEC and the HP side by side and then you tell me which one you prefer, and I`ll guarantee it will be the latter. :cheeky:
And if you find the text too small, then simply up the font size in the OS...:erm:
Update: here is a good comparison list of monitors - (
http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/wiki/index.php/Master_Monitors_List_20%22)
biker
Painman on 18/8/2008 at 03:16
In the US the 20WGX2 is known as the 20WMGX2. They cost about as much as an MVA/PVA 24", but they really are nice displays.
bikerdude on 16/12/2008 at 15:50
updated main post/s.
It seems the average thief player is not going to be able to afford a S-IPS based screen so that leaves only MVA/PVA, or worse still TN.. So with that in mind I will attempt to digg up so reviews and comparision shots etc.
LarryG on 17/12/2008 at 14:30
I'm still sitting on the sideline with tent neatly folded, waiting for the technology to improve and prices to come down.
bikerdude on 17/12/2008 at 14:46
Quote Posted by LarryG
I'm still sitting on the sideline with tent neatly folded, waiting for the technology to improve and prices to come down.
whats your budget ..?
Shadowcat on 18/12/2008 at 07:42
Myself, I picked up a replacement 19" Trinitron CRT for $1.
bikerdude on 3/2/2009 at 14:29
Quote Posted by Bikerdude
CRT = typical 0.01 cd/m² (candella per metre squared)
LCD = best so far 0.2-0.3 cd/m²
On an LCD this level is dictated by how much light the LCD can filter/block. With the advent of LED back lighting, the theory is that LED's under dark areas of the screen can be dimmed and even turned off all together which would produce no light at all, eg. perfect and complete black!
Just an update, the HP LP2275W has the lowest black level Ive ever found from an LCD.
= 0.12
