DuatDweller on 29/2/2024 at 22:59
And what the hell are we gonna do with all those electric cars batteries once they're depleted (they're embedded into the chassis), fill a dumpster or something?
Is gonna be worse that global warming indeed.
Starker on 29/2/2024 at 23:07
We can measure the Sun's activity, which has been on the decline in the past decades as well as its irradiance, which has been stable. The Sun does not explain the recent trend and neither does volcanic activity. The one thing that does are the human-caused effects of rapid industrialisation.
Scientific theories survive by being able to explain phenomena, having predictive power, and by being supported by evidence and sound reasoning. They are not immutable truths, but our best understanding of how things are. If new facts emerge that contradict the theory, it is abandoned. The current theories about global warming have stood the test of time and new and better data has only further supported them.
DuatDweller on 29/2/2024 at 23:29
Where is that Girl, you know Greta Thunberg.
Now that's an example of brain washing (like the nazis with a blonde girl making propaganda).
Like I said before even ancient Egypt suffered some weather upheaval millennia ago, are you going to blame that on industry and cars too? I would like to have more historical data on other civilizations, but our archeology leaves something to be desired.
Show me data from 3,000 years ago and see if is not a cyclic recurrence.
Or do I have to go put a catalytic converter on the cow's asses too?
:wot:
Starker on 29/2/2024 at 23:39
Well, mocking and trying to discredit young people (and especially young women) for being passionate about serious issues seems to be something of a timeless phenomena.
Not all climate change is caused by industrialisation, but, according to the best available evidence we have, the current one is.
Factory farming is also a part of industrialisation: (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensive_animal_farming)
DuatDweller on 29/2/2024 at 23:48
Ah ha, but back then there weren't as many cows as there are now (nor humans for what matters). I reply to you with the little ice age.
(
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age)
Quote:
The Little Ice Age (LIA) was a period of regional cooling, particularly pronounced in the North Atlantic region. It was not a true ice age of global extent. The term was introduced into scientific literature by François E. Matthes in 1939. The period has been conventionally defined as extending from the 16th to the 19th centuries, but some experts prefer an alternative timespan from about 1300 to about 1850.
Several causes have been proposed: cyclical lows in solar radiation, heightened volcanic activity, changes in the ocean circulation,
variations in Earth's orbit and axial tilt (orbital forcing), inherent variability in global climate, and decreases in the human population (such as from the massacres by Genghis Khan, Black Death and the epidemics emerging in the Americas upon European contact).
Starker on 29/2/2024 at 23:53
We can measure and account for variables more accurately than ever before and no natural phenomena seem to be the cause of the current trend.
DuatDweller on 1/3/2024 at 00:10
2010 earthquake axis displacement might also have changed the climate a little
(
https://www.universetoday.com/58428/chilean-earthquake-may-have-shortened-the-length-of-a-day-on-earth/)
Quote:
Yikes! Just how big was the magnitude 8.8 earth quake in Chile? One scientist says the shaking may have affected the entire planet by shifting Earth on its axis. This possibly may have shortened the length of a day on Earth by about 1.26 microseconds. Using a complex model JPL research scientist Richard Gross computed how Earth’s rotation should have changed as a result of the Feb. 27, 2010 quake. If his figures are correct, the quake should have moved Earth’s figure axis (the axis about which Earth’s mass is balanced) by 2.7 milliarcseconds (about 8 centimeters, or 3 inches).
baeuchlein on 1/3/2024 at 00:36
Mr. DuatDweller asked for data from 3,000 years ago. Let's make that 22,000 years ago, shall we? Look (
https://www.climatecentral.org/news/climate-change-xkcd-comic-20696) here. Just click that link, it's not gonna make your computer explode, science says.:ebil:
Skip ahead on that page first, you can read all the explanatory stuff later on, if you're so inclined. Scroll down until the graphic content (no, not
sexual graphical content - that activity is not what scientists call "global warming":cheeky: ) starts. Ignore the little comic (and comical) pictures in there, and just watch the dotted line while you scroll down, and keep scolling down.
Temperature is from left to right in this graphic representation of data, so you can recognize short-term temperature changes by seeing the line wiggle a bit from the left to the right and maybe back again. Larger-scale changes can also be seen; the dotted line slowly wanders more to the right for about 21,000 years.
But then, all of a sudden, the line takes a hard turn to the right, where the hot times are. In just a few decades. Note how long it took before that, and compare that to what suddenly happens at the end of the diagram. This should anyone make more than just shrug or raise an eyebrow (until you're a Star Trek Vulcan, of course).
And now you can go back all the way up on that site and read this explanatory stuff I briefly talked about. You might also scroll down the diagram again and read some of the little texts embedded. This all is still very simplified, compared to all the stuff scientists have already said, predicted, found true and so on. But unless you just don't want to think about it and rather dig out possible (or already proven impossible) explanations why it's everything else but (partially) man-made climate change - you should then get a glimpse of why it is not completely proven, but very very very extremely likely that science is neither completely wrong nor mainly wrong.
And, by the way, if anyone doubts science - why does he/she then
believe science once it tells you the sun can cause cyclic large-scale temperature oscillations? It's rather looking like someone is trying to pick only these things science says which are in his/her favourite line of thinking. And that's not how truth emerges. (Unless you ask persons like Tronald Dumb, or whoever this guy was.)
Qooper on 1/3/2024 at 01:19
Global warming is caused by JavaScript. To be more precise, all those stupidly CPU-hungry ads we see on many websites. Ad runs, browser freezes, CPU utilization goes to 100%, cooler starts screaming, hot air goes into the room, AC starts struggling, electric bill starts rising, Richard the dad starts swearing and as a result exhales more CO2 than usual -> global warming. If you or your loved ones see ads on the internet, please, blame JavaScript.
mxleader on 1/3/2024 at 03:17
Quote Posted by Qooper
Global warming is caused by JavaScript.
:laff:
I welcome global warming. After living most of my life in the cold rainy Pacific Northwest I like the idea of being able to thaw out.
