smithpd on 21/12/2017 at 19:58
Cigam,
Yandros and the others are correct, IMO. I'll be more blunt. A blanket exception to the rules that makes all missions possible to ghost would be unacceptable to me. It would make a mockery of the phrase "ghost success". It is the equivalent of a participation trophy in kids sports. Ghosting is supposed to be difficult and sometimes impossible. As I have said previously, there is no shame in failure. The phrase "ghost success" should have clear meaning. That is the purpose of the rules.
I agree that killing haunts before the objective is presented would be a bust.
Cigam on 21/12/2017 at 21:24
Quote Posted by smithpd
A blanket exception to the rules that makes all missions possible to ghost would be unacceptable to me.
Are you happier with the alternative that some missions become impossible to Ghost? Bafford, Undercover, Soulforge, etc etc. I am not sure what you mean by "blanket" exception. It would only apply to certain missions, and even then, only in specific spots. Otherwise what do those who like to Ghost do for such missions? Just skip Bafford and start the game on Cragscleft because they know in advance there is one single guard who cannot be gotten past unalerted (I believe). I think it has meaning to say that you ghosted Soulforge as anyone who knows the mission will know that this won't apply to the start camera.
marbleman on 21/12/2017 at 21:38
I feel like I'm repeating what is said above, but... You ghost everything except that one guard or whatever obstacle you might have in mind. It is not about the result, it is about the playstyle in general and about sticking to it as much as possible.
Also, how is Bafford unghostable? :erg:
Yandros on 22/12/2017 at 01:42
If a mission is ghostable except for one guard, you report it as a failed ghost and describe the lone bust. That's it. There's no shame in that. You don't exercise a special rule that says you can bend or break the rules for that one guard just so you can claim ghosting success on the mission. As marbleman said, it's about the playstyle, honoring the rules and reporting your results - not about being able to say you ghosted the mission.
Cigam on 22/12/2017 at 02:09
OK fair enough. But in that case is there any need to modify the rules at all? If you are forced to bust because an FM requires you to use a moss arrow at a specific point, then just report that one bust. Ghost the rest of it.
As for Bafford, isn't there a stationary guard in the cellar who cannot be snuck past without eliciting a reaction?
klatremus on 22/12/2017 at 02:33
We weren't changing the rules, we were simply setting out to clarify them. As you perhaps saw even, most of us voted against amending the rules regarding the lighting issue, which is what the thread started out discussing. One of the main arguments was what the danger of changing the rules could lead to. So no, modifying the rules is only a last resort, and only for clarifying reasons. We are very serious about not altering the intended spirit of any of the original ghost modes. Every once in a while discussions arise because players discover areas that the rules don't cover, or perhaps they weren't fully explaining the rules the way they intended. Sometimes new gameplay mechanics in newer fan missions trigger a new ghost topic also.
And Baffords can most certainly be ghosted, perfect supreme ghosted even, but it's difficult.
smithpd on 22/12/2017 at 02:43
Quote Posted by Cigam
Are you happier with the alternative that some missions become impossible to Ghost? Bafford, Undercover, Soulforge, etc etc.
Yes. The idea is to play the missions, do the best you can, and enjoy them.
klatremus on 22/12/2017 at 22:51
Ok, I have opened the official ghost rules thread (
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=83) here. Could a moderator sticky it please? Let me know if you see any mistakes. We should keep all rules discussions to this thread.
EnYB0La on 24/12/2017 at 03:19
Quote Posted by klatremus
Ok, I have opened the official ghost rules thread (
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=83) here. Could a moderator sticky it please? Let me know if you see any mistakes. We should keep all rules discussions to this thread.
Pinned and closed :)
Cigam on 28/12/2017 at 18:37
Are the Ghost rules the only rules that will get preserved in that thread? Just wondering if it worth adding a second post to the pinned thread to include the official rules of the other playstyles, from the link above. The more places they are copied the better, I am thinking, in case that archive page closes.