Renault on 28/12/2020 at 15:50
I'm no ghosting expert, but I believe it is stated in the rules that engine glitches are OK, but only as a last resort.
klatremus on 28/12/2020 at 17:45
Brethren is correct. For Ghost it is allowed but only as a last resort. For Supreme Ghost it is not allowed under any circumstance. This was the only Ghost bust in this mission, hence the hope of eliminating it. This mission is so difficult that even getting within one bust is quite good.
marbleman on 29/12/2020 at 15:48
@klatremus: What's your stance on pushing the wall in Blexham manor in The Sound of a Burrick in a Room? Would you say it's property damage?
klatremus on 29/12/2020 at 17:28
@marbleman: Sadly, I would. You are breaking the wall and its irreversible. What do you think? You can get to the caves from the butcher, but only after the door is unlocked, and I think the only copy of the key is on the butcher himself patrolling inside. I don't think you can reach that key from outside, right? I haven't ghosted this, but its next on my list.
Edit: There might be a way to push through the butcher's door or the cave wall with an engine exploit though, but that seems like cheating.
marbleman on 29/12/2020 at 17:51
Yeah, I'd say it's a bust. Technically, no damage is being inflicted as pushing that wall is like moving a crate; nothing is being broken per se. But common sense says it's definitely property damage. :D
I'm currently cooking up a report of this one myself, but it will be a little different from the usual stuff. ;)
klatremus on 29/12/2020 at 18:45
Cool, looking forward to it!
downwinder on 30/12/2020 at 05:26
rule #420 in order to truly ghost/supreme a mission it must be done on a blind run of said mission,as playing after you already played a mission,gives the player an advantage
rule #666 if you have a bust in mission ghost/supreme attempt is void after that point forever
i think those 2 rules should be added,to make it a more realistic attempt :P
klatremus on 30/12/2020 at 06:59
Well, you are of course entitled to think whatever you'd like, downwinder. :erg:
However...
marbleman on 30/12/2020 at 09:31
Rule #0.5: Ignore all downwinder posts in this thread. Seriously.
Galaer on 30/12/2020 at 21:14
Rule #420: I find this rule a discriminatory one. This means that certain people can't make any attempts just because they played certain missions before when they didn't know that maybe will try in future to write report. There is also another problem - with human memory. It's possible to forget completely about playing certain missions and not recognize their titles. And after playing few hours you go to this one room and suddenly you got flashbacks. You remember this one room and that's the problem. It's not blind run anymore and you can't report this mission anymore. So I'm against this rule.
Rule #666: this rule is very tempting. Sometimes mission has ghost bust at the very beginning, so you can stop there, because a void and quickly jump to next FM. And let's not forget about campaigns. If mission 1 has ghost bust, then you can't just skip to mission 2, because there is huge void in mission 1. Which means you must declare the whole campaign to be impossible to ghost. Imagine how it would speed up the whole process of writing ghost reports.
Rule #0.5: this is highly discriminatory rule and Dewdrop seriously agree with me.
