downwinder on 25/12/2020 at 05:24
1/3 liked my idea pretty good odds :P
Psych0sis on 25/12/2020 at 06:07
You know you can just use a loot list/look in dromed and plan a route beforehand, and no one will know ;).
Galaer on 25/12/2020 at 09:02
True, this "rule" can't even be verified by anyone.
Also I remember that when fortuni was building his walkthrough of Patriot, he actually send me PM regarding my post about evidences in one of missions. In other words, mission thread is one of sources for building walkthroughs.
klatremus on 27/12/2020 at 07:33
That's why the rule says "a point of honor that cannot be enforced"...
Galaer on 27/12/2020 at 11:56
Oh, I read that it was enforced. Besides you mentioned that in your Ruins of Originia report you added because of that a ghost bust. Though on top where your stats are you mentioned only one bust in your opinion.
As for glass bust - I wonder if it wouldn't be possible to go through it by using speedrun technique called Gentle Clip. It allows you to to go through doors and certain walls. It's also easier to do it without new mantle and in Olddark. But I'm really bad with this technique. So I don't use it.
marbleman on 27/12/2020 at 14:42
Quote Posted by klatremus
Marbleman: there are no references in the rules to ambience volume, fog, weather or other environmental/sounds settings, so this would be up to each player. You certainly wouldn't bust. However, if the in game sounds are preventing you from being able to detect alerts, I would certainly mention it in the report, and possibly even render supreme impossible to give a verdict (which I have done in the past with for example T2X mission 13).
In the mission you mention, it's possible to detect the alerts if you lower the ambient volume since it also reduces waterfall noises. Would you do that, or would you regard this as immersion-breaking and render Supreme non-applicable anyway?
klatremus on 27/12/2020 at 21:08
@Galaer: I can't remember why I wrote "one bust"in the stats area. It could be because I was claiming only that bust to be necessary for someone else. Or it could be because I had used a walkthrough only to get loose hints, and only for my test run 2-3 years prior. I never intended on ghosting the mission then, but since I used the knowledge I had gained from the walkthrough to completely ghost run later, I included it in my report. I mentioned it in my recording too, so I definitely wanted to report my use of walkthrough.
As for the clip through the glass, I'm not sure it would work bc the floor is ice, which means you can't jump.
@marbleman: I can't remember, but I don't think I reduced anything but the master volume. But if there's a way to reduce ambience in order to detect alerts, I wouldn't have issues with it.
Galaer on 27/12/2020 at 21:15
Quote Posted by klatremus
As for the clip through the glass, I'm not sure it would work bc the floor is ice, which means you can't jump.
I managed to do this clip twice to get to Lord Bafford's Mansion through wall and from what I noticed you need to kinda mantle into wall. And it's possible to mantle while standing on ice. But I have no idea if it's possible to clip through glass.
klatremus on 27/12/2020 at 22:29
Well, it would be really cool if someone could try it. I could provide a save game and then perhaps this one could be ghosted.
Yandros on 28/12/2020 at 15:44
Forgive my ignorance, but I thought using engine glitches like that would be disallowed by the rules.
