la0s on 26/1/2005 at 18:16
I don't know why but something tells me, that it is indeed possible to make shock working in Classic. I've played around with the extensions and as I've described that doesn't work. But I've been a PC user since 1988, and just recently bought an iBook, so it is quite possible that I'm overlooking something-
If someone knew of a way to install other extensions it probably could work. The thing is definately connected to the videocard drivers, and or the quicktime extensions. Because the first errors come up when the Origin logo-anim is played. Which is why I guess there's some conflict there that probably affects the game.
Another thing worth looking into, is trying to run Shock on an older mac but still in Classic. Since it works in booting into OS9 we probably could get some understanding of if the problem is connected to Classic or the hardware. What i mean is, if a dual boot Mac can play shock in both Classic and OS9 native, that must mean it's hardware related, if it wont work in classic, then it's an error in Classic.
Hope that makes any sense.
la0s on 26/1/2005 at 18:48
Do you know if it's possible to run system 7.5 in OS X classic?
furiousgeorge on 26/1/2005 at 22:19
Wow...how did I miss...
Anyway, thanks... :sweat:
laOs,
I can't specifically help you out, but I applaud what you're doing. Good luck.
la0s on 26/1/2005 at 22:39
Thanks FG!
Well as I had thought it's only OS9.2.2 that'll run in Classic.
I tried removing the intros since it seemed they triggered the error when being played. It was a silly attempt that of course didn't work.
I think the major problem is that you haven't got ANY access to the preferences. You can turn extensions on or off, and that's about it.
furiousgeorge on 27/1/2005 at 17:48
Things that might help you:
1. TSSHP - (
http://tsshp.sourceforge.net/) - I assume you know what it is. If you don't, it's a reverse-engineered hack on the SS1 engine to allow more up-to-date features. The plus is that those guys probably know more about the anatomy of SS1 and it's files than anyone. Might see what you can dig up on their website.
2. Start a new thread - There are a lot of people on these boards that troubleshoot SS1 (for PC mind you, but it might still help) problems in ways I'm clueless about. Try starting a new thread (similar to this one) in which you explain that you're trying to find a solution and specifically ask those in the community to lend their expertise in getting this thing going and promise to write a FAQ to be stickied if you get it figured out. I know it's similar to what's on this thread already, but it will make more of a connection with some of the members here if you specifically spell out what you're doing. I think you'll have a better response.
3. VOGONS - (
http://vogons.zetafleet.com/) - I have no idea if these guys do any Mac stuff, but they are a HUGE resource for old PC games. The SS1 (PC) solution was figured out with their help. If they can't help you with the problem, they might be able to point you toward someone who can.
Just some suggestions. Again, I think what you're doing is worthwhile, and if you do get it working, the info would be a huge benefit to the community here. I also have a friend of a friend who is a sysadmin for a huge university and major Mac Guru. I'll see if I can look him up and ask him what would be some good resources.
berfunkle on 7/2/2005 at 14:01
About 10 years ago, I bought System Shock I for the Mac. Having played SS for DOS about a year earlier, I was impressed by the Mac version at the time.
Fast forward to the present, I recently bought a mac mini. I thought I could relive the fun I had by playing SS on this mac. Well, as some folks have already found out in these forums, it's pretty much a no go if you're using a new mac that cannot boot into a seperate os 9 partition.
However, I do believe that the problem is keyboard/mouse related.
If you alternatively, pause/unpause the game while playing with the direction keys, you can "move" around the hospital level. It's certainly not a way to play the game, but perhaps a solution can be found that will make the game playable.
I hope so at least.
la0s on 7/2/2005 at 14:23
berfunkle>
I am not that convinced it's a mouse and or keyboard issue. Since it is possible to move around, and the only way to update the screen is to press pause, it is much more likely to be a problem with graphics either the videocard in OS9 and/or some kind of quicktime plugin. In other words, you can move around you just can't see it
If you look at the corrupted graphics when the logo anims are display when you start shock, it's another sign that it seems to be a graphics related problem.
furiousgeorge on 7/2/2005 at 17:43
Ok, here's an idea. What are the files that OSX/OS9 uses for graphics hardware acceleration? If you could replace the classic OS's files with the original OS9 acceleration files, that sounds like it would deal with the problem.
Don't know about the implications for OSX crapping out though. You'd want a backup or something. And that's a lot of work...hmm. I may cruise around to some Mac troubleshooting forums and see what I can dig up. I'd really like to find a solution for this.
So obviously the problem is that the hardware acceleration is not refreshing the screen when rendering objects (while moving). Perhaps a patched executable (or whatever it is on Mac) would deal with it.
:devil: FG
la0s on 8/2/2005 at 10:20
FG, Sounds like a good idea! I did try to install a lot of old Radeon Drivers even R7000 drivers but that didn't work. I'll be looking forward to seewhat you find out. I haven't got that much time right now though.
