Scots Taffer on 4/5/2006 at 09:06
Quote Posted by scumble
However, the fans should have treated him in kind and not supported him, instead of rushing out to buy every re-release and then complaining that they were "robbed". Nobody
has to have all of them.
This is true, but fanboy fuckwits will be fanboy fuckwits*. :(
* I own the pirated laserdisc-to-dvd versions that came to ZERO profit to Lucas
scumble on 4/5/2006 at 09:13
Quote Posted by BR796164
Right, I guess that remixing the movies to 5.1 or 7.1 would be a quite difficult task, because they would have to get recordings all original effects and dialogues separatedly (maybe still on on magnetic tapes), then filter out the noise and polish them, them mix then carefully together to the original soundtrack's image.
Yes, if you think about it, it does involve starting from scratch, as you can't just turn 2 channels into 6 or 8 with magical processing. Significant time in a mixing suite isn't cheap.
Mr.Duck on 4/5/2006 at 17:01
Han shot first, and only, 'nuff said.
Fuck you, George Lucas.
Chimpy Chompy on 4/5/2006 at 17:09
So what exactly is the appeal of the "original version"? Are people really that bothered over whether Han shot first? Or is there some crazy irrational love of ye olde effects over modern computer-graphics?
ignatios on 4/5/2006 at 17:37
They're the same as when we were kids.
Sure we can debate the merits of the specific alterations, but for me at least, what matters is that it's not the Star Wars I grew up with.
It might not be so bad if the new trilogy wasn't so awful, but combined with them it's a major travesty that the originals are altered (mostly for worse).
Thanks George, but go fuck yourself at the same time.
Ulukai on 4/5/2006 at 18:03
I've made me feelings clear on this humongously mercenary jackass (
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1087508#post1087508) before, and I'm pleased to say I still haven't seen episodes 2 & 3 since I made that post.
Much as I loved episodes 4, 5 & 6 whilst growing up, I have no desire to see those films ever again.
Carini on 4/5/2006 at 18:11
Quote Posted by ignatios
They're the same as when we were kids.
Sure we can debate the merits of the specific alterations, but for me at least, what matters is that it's not the Star Wars I grew up with.
It might not be so bad if the new trilogy wasn't so awful, but combined with them it's a major travesty that the originals are altered (mostly for worse).
Thanks George, but go fuck yourself at the same time.
Also, yub yub.
piln on 4/5/2006 at 18:33
What matters to me is that the originals are better films. I loved Star Wars as a kid, but I'm not really a SW fan and don't give a rat's ass about it nowadays... I just like good movies, and hey, the original three are pretty decent. Lucas' additions to eps 4 and 6 did nothing but add new flaws to already-flawed but good movies, needlessly weakening them - that's just idiotic. Han shooting first, which you seem to think trivial, Chimpy, completely alters the character and knocks his development down a few notches from "significant" to "barely noticeable." And the CG muppet musical sequence that Phydeaux mentioned... good god, do you really have to ask why this is unwelcome?
There was a thread a little while ago about walking out of cinemas in disgust, and this one scene was the closest I've ever come to doing just that.
And just to add to the pile of "George is a liar" remarks, he did almost exactly the same thing with the first set of special edition DVDs iirc. Fans were requesting them, but he'd just released the spec ed VHS set and stated that he would never be releasing them on DVD... and of course that's exactly what he did about 6 months after making that claim. Just to rub salt into wounds, he then talked about how he & his team had been working hard on the DVDs for the last year or so (not sure if those periods are exactly right, but the point is that there was an overlap that proved his dishonesty). Boy, is this guy absent-minded a cunt.
I never saw Kevin Smith's (?) edit of The Phantom Menace, but I liked the idea. I'd like to see all 6 films done this way, and it's nice to now have DVDs of normal and spec original trilogy to mix & match - but I'm not sure it'd be possible to cut eps 2 & 3 into something worthwhile.
Uncia on 4/5/2006 at 18:59
Quote Posted by Chimpy Chompy
So what exactly is the appeal of the "original version"? Are people really that bothered over whether Han shot first? Or is there some crazy irrational love of ye olde effects over modern computer-graphics?
For me at least, the old effects look better. They were fantastic for their day and age, and fit with the rest of the movie.
The new ones on the other hand stick out like all those pre-rendered 3d characters in 2d games. It may look better, but it's out of place in the context.
Especially a CG alien in a universe made of muppets.
Rug Burn Junky on 4/5/2006 at 19:01
Quote Posted by scumble
Yes, if you think about it, it does involve starting from scratch, as you can't just turn 2 channels into 6 or 8 with magical processing. Significant time in a mixing suite isn't cheap.
Thing is, it's already in Dolby Surround, which means that they already have a minimum of 4 channels that were mixed down for that purpose (Left, Right, Center, Rear), and having a low pass filter for the sub is almost academic. Even if they don't have the original 4-chan master somewhere, I'm guessing that they have a better pro logic surround decoder than is available on most home theater set-ups, and having those channels split out into discrete digital channels (with, or without some panning or other effects on the rear channel to create separate rears) wouldn't be quite as good as a good 5.1 mix, but it would be better than having to rely on a 2.0 decoder, and would be a fairly simple process.
Plus, a good majority of the audio has already been remixed for the various limited edition cuts, and could likely be edited rather than remixed, with only small fractions of the original cuts needing to be done from scratch.
Thing is, in either case it would likely not be up to the THX standards (either from having the limited 2.0 surround upmix, or any sonic artifacts/inconsistencies resulting from splicing two separate mixes), and he'd probably get even more flack for it. So it could easily be done, and it would be an improvement over what he's offering, but the mere fact that it wouldn't be pristine and he'd have to hear that sort of bitching is enough of a disincentive to keep it from being done. To do it right would be a far more expensive proposition, and not worth it if he's really only doing this for the suspected motive "Alright, I gave you what you wanted, will you please shut the hell up about it now?"
BTW, Scots, you
paid for the laserdisc transfers? :nono:
