downwinder on 11/11/2018 at 00:26
when he says "my fav year" i don't think it means what he likes to drink but the value of said wine in question
Aemanyl on 11/11/2018 at 00:36
Quote Posted by downwinder
when he says "my fav year" i don't think it means what he likes to drink but the value of said wine in question
Very good observation. Although it does not exclude the other option.
user3 on 11/11/2018 at 07:55
Quote Posted by Aemanyl
Thank you so much for your interesting responses so far.
He probably detests "official education"...
What official education? I didn't see a single school in the original T1 & T2. The T2Gold versions had higher education added but he didn't despise the places unless I missed an audio comment. Lower education, I assumed, was for Wealth citizens that could afford a personal tutor for their children and perhaps a "debt bond" to a lord/religious sect who recognized a persons worth(butler, nanny or servants children).
Reading/writing may be passed from parent to child along with basic math skills for currency exchanges. So, imo, most city people could read and write, even the pagans though to a lesser percentage. Skilled workers & craftsmen would likewise pass their knowledge to their children or train apprentices for a "debt bond/service contact".
17th-18th century, not 19th century, seems to be the parallel to our world education systems.
The only detesting he had was for the indentured that willingly continued servicing
corrupt lords or institutions into old age. While not pals with law enforcement, he respected those that made the effort to tackle corruption. Likewise respect was given to those that extracted themselves from their corrupt overlords service.
Tommyph1208 on 11/11/2018 at 08:29
Based on the narratives of the original games, there is no doubt he spends a considerable amount of time seeking out information about potential “jobs”, casing out places etc.
Since Garret is not some agent of an organization who, like some other Tom Cruise, is simply handed over all gear, maps, info etc. for a job, he mostly has to seek out all of this himself.
This of course would also involve hanging around shady inns, bars, markets, etc. as well as visiting various location where publicly available information may be found, maybe at libraries, city hall archives, etc.
He often seems to have at least some knowledge of the places, events and people he happens to be entangled with throughout the games, indicating that he probably often studies well beyond the immediate job at hand.
I also agree w. TriangleTooth that he has to be spending some lonely nights tinkering with mechanical items, his eye, flash bombs, scouting orb, experimental items and weapons, etc.
There is hardly a shop just around the corner that will provide such services for him.
user3 on 11/11/2018 at 08:57
Quote Posted by Tommyph1208
Based on the narratives of the original games,
There is hardly a shop just around the corner that will provide such services for him.
Perhaps you need to reread or watch them again. He is given jobs via contacts, seldom has detailed maps(automap is the norm). Yah, he just going to walk in the city hall and ask for building blueprints? A sketch from an insider or visitor is the best he usually gets. Listening to servants scuttlebutt at their gathering place is his version of news reports. My RL personal ability is reading lips from 10 yards or less(when I was 40ish), but I am sure he has better hearing then most and that zoom could improve his lip reading ability.
True of T1, but T2 did show a number of shady places. More of a black market, underground thing then official retail shops. Even in T1 there was the occasional purchasing of equipment using previous mission funds; where might that of happened? Oh well, my personal Garrett universe has several dozen caches of equipment outside of cities, towns and villages. Just not convenient to resupply once a job opportunity is agreed to.
But, we digress the topic is what he does when not working. As for relationships; anyone associated with him would be at risk from his enemies. He is going to keep such matters very secret even if the person can handle the heat. Places, not in populated areas as every spy has their eyes on him(keepers and corrupt nobility).
Starker on 11/11/2018 at 09:16
Quote Posted by user3
What official education?
To draw from real life, there could well be a Hammerite school where possibly even children of poorer families can receive lessons in exchange for serving the priests and having the doctrine hammered into them.
In real life, universities often sprang from these types of monastic schools, and a school like this could well have been the beginning of the university that was cut from Thief 2.
user3 on 11/11/2018 at 09:50
Quote Posted by Starker
To draw from real life, there could well be a Hammerite school where possibly even children of poorer families can receive lessons in exchange for serving the priests and having the doctrine hammered into them.
In real life, universities often sprang from these types of monastic schools, and a school like this could well have been the beginning of the university that was cut from Thief 2.
Yep, that's the gist of what I was getting at; though I wouldn't refer to it as official. Surprisingly no scenes of such instructions in the OM, though the pews could serve as a school setting; I doubt they taught a broad spectrum of subjects. Not many civilians use the vernacular on the streets, so says my late wife and grandkids, or in writing. Modern equivalents being Quaker, Amish and Mennonite; just the basics though they have had to adopt state mandated additions the last 50 years.
Official being defined as modern societies babysitting service that started in the 19th century, greatly resisted by the rural communities that depended on their older children to help out with the family enterprise.
Starker on 11/11/2018 at 10:33
This is the reason why official education was in quotation marks -- it's not official education, but "official education". In English, this indicates that the word has a meaning other than its normal use: (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes)
Inline Image:
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/08/air-quotes.gifAnd Garrett's education by the keepers was probably far stricter than what you would see in any modern school, so it's not a stretch by any means to think that he might have resented it. Especially as he left the order.
user3 on 11/11/2018 at 11:08
Cute graphic, Starker, but I got that it was in quotes, no offence taken. And I requote a line from post#13 in response to why I feel he left the keepers.
Quote:
The only detesting he had was for the indentured that willingly continued servicing
corrupt lords or institutions into old age.
Starker on 11/11/2018 at 11:24
We don't know why exactly he left the keepers, but given that he did, it suggests that he didn't particularly like his upbringing there.