Game crashing every time I start to play my mission from the Editor

Beleg Cúthalion on 5/5/2009 at 20:10

(Bump to point to the edits)

Is there something that belongs in the ExitInfo just in case?
(http://s6b.directupload.net/file/d/1785/bj9nz53g_jpg.htm)

Inline Image:

http://s6b.directupload.net/images/090505/temp/bj9nz53g.jpg

I could post you shots of all these property slots if you like. Makes me feel like I do something useful. :p

Tiens on 6/5/2009 at 10:40

Well, let's once again go though the whole "rebuilding" process - step by step. And, please, don't skip steps - make "rebuilding" even if you changed nothing (I call it "rebuilding" because I just don't know other word for it). And don't forget to save-save-save.

I know, all this is very close to WIKI tutorials. I know, it looks stupid and it's boring. I know, sometime it repeats. I know, you already made all scripts, objectives etc. etc. etc. But I think, it's the only way to find the problem. And this procedure works for me.

Sorry for such a huge number of pictures, but we both are not a native-English speakers. I used The Hotel alfa-version as an example.

Step 1:
Check your USER.INI file.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/idgpb7.jpg)

Step 2:
Check the folder where last version of your UNR-files should be.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/16jn2ur.jpg)

Step 3:
Open your mission map (Hotel.unr) and go to Actor Browser. Check your EnterMissionInfo.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2qmixir.jpg)

Step 4:
Check your ExitMissionInfo.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/34xmbk3.jpg)

Step 5:
Check your DifficultyMissionInfo.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/1z4wxow.jpg)

By the way, I left all original scripts without any changes. As they are in the other DifficultyMissionInfos for original missions. I have no idea, does it matter or not.

Step 6:
Now rebuild your Actor Browser. Click on "Export Changed Scripts".
(http://i40.tinypic.com/mwrvkm.jpg)

Step 7:
And click on "Save Selected Packages". Then close Actor Browser.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/10wir2p.jpg)

Step 8:
Now find your ExitMissionInfo, DifficultyMissionInfo and EnterMissionInfo. Check Trigger Script Links.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2itjuhj.jpg)

Step 9:
Now go to Main Menu and check Level Info Properties.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2w7mses.jpg)

Usually I use the same name (for example, "Hotel") for everything: Conversation Package, Map Name, Level Name etc. If you have only one map in your FM, it's the easiest way not to make mistakes.

Step 10:
Now check both your PlayerStarts. The one for the game - with Teleport Name.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/rivxg2.jpg)

Step 11:
And the one for the editor - without any Teleport Name.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/bc66r.jpg)

Step 12:
Check the place for your mission ending. In The Hotel it was a volume with a script.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/jkaglh.jpg)

Step 13:
Now go to your Conversations Browser and check Conversation Properties for your mission by clicking "Edit".
(http://i41.tinypic.com/slilvb.jpg)

Step 14:
Now rebuild your Conversations. First click "Generate Schemas".
(http://i41.tinypic.com/1puyw0.jpg)

Step 15:
Then click "Compile".
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2hf422a.jpg)

Step 16:
Then click "Save".
(http://i43.tinypic.com/34zgev5.jpg)

Step 17:
Then click "Export Mission Objectives".
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2rprbe1.jpg)

Step 18:
Now close Conversations, save your mission's UNR-file and open Entry.unr map. Check Trigger Script Links.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/9tpumo.jpg)

Step 19:
Check EnterMissionInfo. Remember that it should be changed strait into the map.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2hnnipl.jpg)

Step 20:
Check DifficultyMissionInfo. Remember that it should be inserted from Actor Browser.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/mwf8f6.jpg)

Step 21:
Check ExitMissionInfo. Remember that it should be changed strait into the map.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/evctg7.jpg)

Step 22:
Now save and rebuild your Entry.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/260wpxx.jpg)

Step 23:
And generate GMP-file.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/jzwcc4.jpg)

Step 24:
Now save Entry, close it, open your map UNR-file and go Actor Browser. Click on "Export Changed Scripts".
(http://i44.tinypic.com/anllyt.jpg)

Step 25:
And click on "Save Selected Packages". Then close Actor Browser.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/9geb8h.jpg)

Step 26:
Now save and rebuild your map with "Build Options".
(http://i39.tinypic.com/osepug.jpg)

As for "Build AI NavMesh and Spatial Database" list, I prefer to turn ON everything. Even "Build Terrain". It helps to forget nothing.

Step 27:
Now save and open "Zone Properties Dialog". Refresh it and close.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/21p051t.jpg)

Step 28:
Save your map and open Trigger Scripts. Click "Save and Refresh".
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2j9v0m.jpg)

Step 29:
Now save and rebuild your map once again.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/29kt0yd.jpg)

Step 30:
Now save and create GMP-file for your map.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/6r83dy.jpg)

Step 31:
Now create IBT-file for your map.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/4jumiv.jpg)

Step 32:
Take your IBT-files and Kernels from here.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2q9yyqp.jpg)

Step 33:
Take your GMP-files from here.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2u59q4n.jpg)

I think, that's all. So don't worry, don't hurry and don't give up.

Beleg Cúthalion on 7/5/2009 at 21:55

Thanks a lot for the list. In any case this might be worth saving for e.g. the wiki. I added a second "Hermes.txt" into my EnterMissionInfo and did several builds (also with Entry.unr). These are the two main things I hadn't done before. Your EnterMissionInfoInn by the way still has the property for not allowing to change difficulty level. Anyway, it doesn't work. :tsktsk:

Last lines of T3Ed log, right after crash when trying to save in editor send-to-xBox-mode:

Code:

Building Havok world data from Flesh BSP for level [MyLevel] [ 889826] (.\LevelConverter.cpp : 80)
Log : Moving 'C:\Programme\Spiele\Thief3Edit\CONTENT\T3\Maps\_0000039C_Save.tmp' to 'C:\Programme\Spiele\Thief3Edit\CONTENT\T3\Maps\Hermes.gmp'[ 893469] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Autosave deferred - editor is not the foreground application [ 912806] (.\UnEdSrv.cpp : 8559)
Autosave deferred - editor is not the foreground application [ 972800] (.\UnEdSrv.cpp : 8559)
Log : Moving 'C:\Programme\Spiele\Thief3Edit\Content\T3\Maps\_0000038C_Save.tmp' to 'C:\Programme\Spiele\Thief3Edit\Content\T3\Maps\Autoplay.unr'[ 988915] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Building Havok world data from Flesh BSP for level [MyLevel] [ 997174] (.\LevelConverter.cpp : 80)
Log : Moving 'C:\Programme\Spiele\Thief3Edit\Content\T3\Maps\_0000038C_Save.tmp' to 'C:\Programme\Spiele\Thief3Edit\Content\T3\Maps\Autoplay.gmp'[1000055] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : Autosaving of map ignored : Game-mode is running [1032802] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : Autosaving of map ignored : Game-mode is running [1094778] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : Autosaving of map ignored : Game-mode is running [1153338] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : Autosaving of map ignored : Game-mode is running [1213699] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : Autosaving of map ignored : Game-mode is running [1277028] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : Autosaving of map ignored : Game-mode is running [1333383] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : Autosaving of map ignored : Game-mode is running [1405569] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : TestCooperativeLevel failed (88760869) [1434209] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
ERROR: Could not find default value for option InvertYAxis in my DEFAULT.INI! [1434391] (.\T3OptionsManager.cpp : 370)
ERROR: Could not find default value for option Brightness in my DEFAULT.INI! [1434395] (.\T3OptionsManager.cpp : 370)
ERROR: Could not find default value for option VSynch in my DEFAULT.INI! [1434396] (.\T3OptionsManager.cpp : 370)
ERROR: Could not find default value for option UseHWMixing in my DEFAULT.INI! [1434443] (.\T3OptionsManager.cpp : 370)
ERROR: Could not find default value for option UseEAX in my DEFAULT.INI! [1434443] (.\T3OptionsManager.cpp : 370)
ERROR: Could not find default value for option EAXMultipleEnvironments in my DEFAULT.INI! [1434456] (.\T3OptionsManager.cpp : 370)
- SetRes: 558 x 422 (windowed) [1434603] (.\D3DRenderDevice.cpp : 580)
WARNING: Back buffer is lockable this will severly degrade performance.
Only use this setting if you are taking screen shots!
[1435681] (.\D3DRenderDevice.cpp : 737)
- Backbuffer format 21 (32 bit) [1435696] (.\D3DRenderDevice.cpp : 840)
- Depthbuffer format 75 (32 bit) [1435696] (.\D3DRenderDevice.cpp : 874)
Init: D3D Driver: setup completed okay. [1437131] (.\D3DRenderDevice.cpp : 1088)
Log : Allocating 16384 byte dynamic index buffer. [1438381] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Autosave deferred - editor is not the foreground application

(Just in case someone speaks this language...)

The only thing I could still do to locate the problem is to take an original map and modify it so that it runs with my actors. If it works that way then I know something's wrong with my very mission. And that'd be difficulty to say the least. Thank you very very much again for all your work, nonetheless. :)

Tiens on 8/5/2009 at 04:36

Beleg, you're welcome!

Quote Posted by Beleg Cuthalion

In any case this might be worth saving for e.g. the wiki.

Oh, WIKI doesn't works as it should. So I just don't want to waste my time on it.

By the way, if someone thinks different and would like to make an article for the WIKI from my post, please, just give a link to my post as "an information source" and you are free to do it.

Quote Posted by Beleg Cuthalion

Last lines of T3Ed log, right after crash when trying to save in editor send-to-xBox-mode

Are you saving in editor's game-test-mode? This trick never works for me. Pack your mission, install it with GarrettLoader, run your FM and then try to save.

Quote Posted by Beleg Cuthalion

The only thing I could still do to locate the problem is to take an original map and modify it so that it runs with my actors...

Good idea.

Beleg Cúthalion on 8/5/2009 at 07:08

No, of course the main problem is saving with the FM installed via GL, but I thought it could work in the "Ed game" as well and maybe even with a log file.

Edit: Sort of worked with Castle1.unr. I could change and pack everything into an ibt file and was able to save in the (Ed-simulated) game. I even saw the old savegame of when I had tested my real map yesterday (when it had crashed as well) but later in GL my modified new Hermes crashed during loading, probably because I had not adjusted everything to fit the new info actors and objectives.

Well, it means (or rather: could possibly mean) that there must be an error in my map itself. I wonder if there could be anything wrong with e.g. read-only files in the TDS install or other files missing, however, 1.) I don't know about any more files which I should include and 2.) all the other FMs still work. :confused:

Beleg Cúthalion on 18/5/2009 at 13:02

After being able to produce a working new FM almost without any tutorial I begin to think that the ability to save depends on a....property.

Inline Image:

http://www.eidosforum.de/images/smilies/addon/Roechel.gif Has anyone ever been able to pack up an FM which had hit the property limit beforehand? In fact my values should still allow about 100 to 200 properties but this thing has been quite unpredictable.

I mean, everything in this FM works except saving. I've found out that you cannot even mess up the map title used for saving in Misc.sch (like "Castle Front") or the according LevelEnterText entry in the Level Properties... the game just uses the "Title" (Level Properties, equal to the gmp file name) for saving then. But on deleting it still crashed my map, so the bug must be somewhere else.

Flux on 18/5/2009 at 13:45

Well, it looks like there is nothing wrong with mission-packing as you say, with all those text-files in place.

I especially checked for your geometry since you said this is the first game editor you used. I was actually looking for some subtle bsp errors but I can only say you did very well job with your bsp design.:thumb:

One more thing, it might be little, though you never know. It might make sense if you had duplicated subtracted brushes during level editing. Back in the early days of unreal editing, when folks have "weird" level problems, they did this: exported the bsp and then importing it back. Sometimes this worked for levels that didn't have any bsp/geometry errors but for some reason crashed. You might lose texture work though. You might even try crazy experimenting like copy pasting the whole level and save it under a new name. (Since we're running out of ideas how to save your mission from this save bug, I don't know what else can be suggested...:confused:)

Because it looks like the game is crashing when try to save the "world position" of the player(As your text/ini/script files seem to be correct.)

Beleg Cúthalion on 21/5/2009 at 19:44

I just remember having the issue some weeks before hitting the property limit. I'm not sure if there are still some scripts about city watch patrol behaviour (sending them from A to B or something) but that shouldn't affect saving. Also, my test FM with those patrol scripts allow saving at least in T3Ed game mode. I'll have a close look at my map so... guess which unusual element might be the cause.

Edit: After deleting all static meshes it appears to work. Anyone experienced problems with...say... links to SMs or other things yet? On the other hand it could still be a property problem with all those objects deleted (since this property thing is unpredictable as I said), but maybe this is a chance to focus.

Flux on 21/5/2009 at 22:16

Interesting, yes I guess you can focus on that, I'll be trying the same on my part,(focusing on sms)...Yes, I had weird problems with meshes before, even the stock ones. Especially if the mesh has horrible collision problem...I don't remember which one, but it just crashed the editor. Giving it "none" collision fixed the crash problem iirc.

Beleg Cúthalion on 22/5/2009 at 14:41

I've deleted most of the custom SMs now without success (and they were quite a lot, my property count allowed 2000 more slots afterwards) but I managed to get the section of T3Main log immediately created before and during my saving attempt in the T3 debug playing mode:

Code:

PauseWindow window set active! [ 393428] (.\T3TabbedWindow.cpp : 36)
Spawned 'LoadSavePlaque__0' (0x6fab3240) in 'Hermes' [ 395163] (.\UnLevAct.cpp : 261)
Spawned 'LoadSavePlaque__1' (0x6fab1740) in 'Hermes' [ 395163] (.\UnLevAct.cpp : 261)
WARNING: Invalid section index on Flesh Object: 1 [ 395164] (.\Source\Objects\FObject.cpp : 276)
WARNING: Invalid section index on Flesh Object: 2 [ 395164] (.\Source\Objects\FObject.cpp : 276)
Spawned 'LoadSavePlaque__2' (0x6fab3180) in 'Hermes' [ 395164] (.\UnLevAct.cpp : 261)
WARNING: Invalid section index on Flesh Object: 1 [ 395165] (.\Source\Objects\FObject.cpp : 276)
WARNING: Invalid section index on Flesh Object: 2 [ 395165] (.\Source\Objects\FObject.cpp : 276)
Spawned 'METAbutton128x37__0' (0x6fab1bc0) in 'Hermes' [ 395165] (.\UnLevAct.cpp : 261)
WARNING: Invalid section index on Flesh Object: 1 [ 395698] (.\Source\Objects\FObject.cpp : 276)
WARNING: Invalid section index on Flesh Object: 2 [ 395698] (.\Source\Objects\FObject.cpp : 276)
WARNING: Invalid section index on Flesh Object: 1 [ 395704] (.\Source\Objects\FObject.cpp : 276)
WARNING: Invalid section index on Flesh Object: 2 [ 395704] (.\Source\Objects\FObject.cpp : 276)
Spawned 'PopupFrame__0' (0x6fab1680) in 'Hermes' [ 396103] (.\UnLevAct.cpp : 261)
WARNING: Freed all hardware buffers and unloaded all res sounds, but somehow our memory usage is [20480], not [0] as expected! This is a Cadence internal system error![ 396147] (.\Src\SoundBufferPool.cpp : 1747)
Log : Saving Level... [ 396147] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : Saving physics... [ 396162] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : Saving actors + level... [ 396163] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
WARNING: Unable to find constraint for DoorController for FanBlade__0, probably missing a hinged/prismatic attachmanet. [ 396877] (.\GamePhysDoorController.cpp : 443)
WARNING: DoorController::isReferenceObjectFixed() - Door Controller on Actor FanBlade__0 does not have m_constraint assigned![ 396877] (.\GamePhysDoorController.cpp : 512)
WARNING: Unable to find constraint for DoorController for FanBlade__1, probably missing a hinged/prismatic attachmanet. [ 396877] (.\GamePhysDoorController.cpp : 443)
WARNING: DoorController::isReferenceObjectFixed() - Door Controller on Actor FanBlade__1 does not have m_constraint assigned![ 396877] (.\GamePhysDoorController.cpp : 512)
Log : Saving ChangedActorDatabase... [ 396894] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : ...done saving ChangedActorDatabase. [ 396895] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : Saving AIGlobals... [ 396895] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : ...done saving AIGlobals. [ 396896] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : Saving AIManager... [ 396897] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : ...done saving AIManager. [ 396898] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : Saving SpatialDatabase... [ 396898] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : ...done saving SpatialDatabase. [ 396899] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : Saving ChangedActorDatabase... [ 396938] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : ...done saving ChangedActorDatabase. [ 396939] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : Saving AIGlobals... [ 396940] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : ...done saving AIGlobals. [ 396941] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : Saving AIManager... [ 396941] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : ...done saving AIManager. [ 396942] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : Saving SpatialDatabase... [ 396943] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : ...done saving SpatialDatabase. [ 396944] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
WARNING: Unable to find constraint for DoorController for FanBlade__0, probably missing a hinged/prismatic attachmanet. [ 397338] (.\GamePhysDoorController.cpp : 443)
WARNING: DoorController::isReferenceObjectFixed() - Door Controller on Actor FanBlade__0 does not have m_constraint assigned![ 397338] (.\GamePhysDoorController.cpp : 512)
WARNING: Unable to find constraint for DoorController for FanBlade__1, probably missing a hinged/prismatic attachmanet. [ 397338] (.\GamePhysDoorController.cpp : 443)
WARNING: DoorController::isReferenceObjectFixed() - Door Controller on Actor FanBlade__1 does not have m_constraint assigned![ 397338] (.\GamePhysDoorController.cpp : 512)
Log : Saving ChangedActorDatabase... [ 398325] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : ...done saving ChangedActorDatabase. [ 398326] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : Saving AIGlobals... [ 398326] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : ...done saving AIGlobals. [ 398327] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : Saving AIManager... [ 398328] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : ...done saving AIManager. [ 398328] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : Saving SpatialDatabase... [ 398329] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
Log : ...done saving SpatialDatabase. [ 398330] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)
WARNING: Unable to find constraint for DoorController for FanBlade__1, probably missing a hinged/prismatic attachmanet. [ 398491] (.\GamePhysDoorController.cpp : 443)
WARNING: DoorController::isReferenceObjectFixed() - Door Controller on Actor FanBlade__1 does not have m_constraint assigned![ 398491] (.\GamePhysDoorController.cpp : 512)
WARNING: Unable to find constraint for DoorController for FanBlade__0, probably missing a hinged/prismatic attachmanet. [ 398491] (.\GamePhysDoorController.cpp : 443)
WARNING: DoorController::isReferenceObjectFixed() - Door Controller on Actor FanBlade__0 does not have m_constraint assigned![ 398491] (.\GamePhysDoorController.cpp : 512)
ERROR: Exceeded maximum property storage count of 61440. Must raise the limit and recompile. [ 398697] (.\Viktoria\Viki_Errors.cpp : 662)
WARNING: Attempt to enable code block for non-existant timer; ID = 117702656 [ 399547] (.\Timing\Timing.cpp : 359)
WARNING: Attempt to start non-existant timer '117702656': Using default entry. [ 399547] (..\Tech\Timing\APIs\TimingAPI.h : 396)
Log : ...Save completed. [ 399551] (..\..\Core\Inc\FOutputDeviceFile.h : 51)

Unfortunately, like every T3 log file this is full of unimportant errors and warnings, but still: It features one Viktoria error concerning the property storage count. Now I just wonder if it takes more than 2000 properties to create a savegame. :weird: I could check those fan blades as well but I doubt that they're the cause.

Edit1: Deleting a lot of SMs to increase the remaining properties up to 8364 apparently worked, saving went through and there is no sign of a Viktoria Error now in the log. I'm doing ibt files right now to see if it works also via GL. If yes, then my mission will be on hiatus until we find a property defragmentation program. :erg:

Edit2: Well, sort of confirmed. Saving works at the beginning but crashes later on - staying on the property issue basis I'd say that after the first seconds and triggered scripts there are already too many properties again. I might test it with deleting more static meshes to see if I can save for a longer time playing but apparently it means that I have to leave Hermes for now because I cannot cut down the content even more. Or has anyone else built such a big mission (i.e. close to the peoperty limit of 61440) without saving issues?