Swiss Mercenary on 13/4/2007 at 00:43
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Well that makes sense, but how do they really know it's violent play instead of actual violent behavior itself?
How can we know that you are really trying to argue this to improve society, as opposed to just trolling?
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For one of the kids involved, they may not be having fun and feel threatened but too afraid to speak up
Yeah, and yet most of them manage to grow into well-adjusted adults. Right. :rolleyes:
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and on the flip side they may be enjoying violent play and violent images but there may be something more sinister behind it all, like in the back of their minds they're thinking "I wish I could get away with doing this for real." In either case, it's virtually impossible to tell if this is so unless you're able to read their minds.
Clearly, the only solution is to ban children's games. Yeah, that'll work well.
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Well. . leaving that aside and going onto another question: If violent play and fantasy doesn't lead to actual violent behavior, what does?
I don't know. Maybe, you know, subjection to actual violence?
Pyrian on 13/4/2007 at 01:39
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Well that makes sense, but how do they really know it's violent play instead of actual violent behavior itself?
This is defined as being whether or not harm was inflicted. Those whose play causes physical injury are statistically more likely to cause greater injury in later years. Those whose play, no matter how "violent" in theme, does not cause physical injury, are not correlated with causing injury later in their life.
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For one of the kids involved, they may not be having fun and feel threatened but too afraid to speak up...
This is generally a result of intentional bullying, an activity which IMO is tolerated more than it should be (and is by nature entirely distinct from the act of watching a movie).
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...and on the flip side they may be enjoying violent play and violent images but there may be something more sinister behind it all, like in the back of their minds they're thinking "I wish I could get away with doing this for real."
I think you are overly concerned with what goes on in the dark corners of people's minds. Very decent people can think quite dreadful thoughts without ever acting on them. Frankly, I find the idea of "thought-policing" to be far more offensive than depictions of egregiously fake violence.
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Well. . leaving that aside and going onto another question: If violent play and fantasy doesn't lead to actual violent behavior, what does? . . .That one there is more of a rhetorical question.
Y'know, there's a lot of peer-reviewed research into the roots of violent behavior. If you're interested in the subject, I'm sure you could do much better than asking on a video game forum. My recollection is that the following are strong risk factors: suffering of
real violence (regardless of whether said violence was done in anger or out of discipline - that's right, every spanking adds ~0.1% to the chance your kid will become an axe murderer), witnessing of
real violence on known people (usually family members), and poor impulse control.
Basically, violent offenders are typically impulsive people who were taught
real violence. I repeatedly stress "real" in this because the distinction between real and fictional is pretty much absolute in this regard; a person who was repeatedly beat up or tortured small animals as a kid is
much more likely to grow up to be a violent felon, but a person who indulges in even the most violent
fictional entertainment is not at all.
Malygris on 13/4/2007 at 02:00
So, going to see Grindhouse on Saturday.
Heard it's pretty good.
BEAR on 13/4/2007 at 02:05
Yeah, you should, its quite fun.
Hopefully they wont have split it up by then, get lots of candy as its long as shit.
Lady Taffer on 13/4/2007 at 04:05
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Y'know, there's a lot of peer-reviewed research into the roots of violent behavior. If you're interested in the subject, I'm sure you could do much better than asking on a video game forum.
That's a good idea, I think I will end up doing that. Also, I wasn't implying that we
should have mind reading and other thought policing, it was just a hypothetical situation. I think the bottom line of what I'm saying is that I know getting rid of all the violent movies in the world wouldn't solve our violence problem, they don't cause people to act violently, but in a culture that's already rife with violence and lack of care for human life movies like this really aren't
helping the situation that much.
I tend to take violence very seriously so excuse me if I don't think it's "funny."
Last bit of advice everyone. .. DON'T go wasting your money on Tarantino's flicks. All that does is encourage the idiot to make even more shit. :nono:
Stitch on 13/4/2007 at 04:28
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Last bit of advice everyone. .. DON'T go wasting your money on Tarantino's flicks. All that does is encourage the idiot to make even more shit. :nono:
I hadn't really thought of it like that before, thanks :)
Lady Taffer on 13/4/2007 at 04:34
Any time. :thumb:
Ko0K on 13/4/2007 at 05:03
At this point it's apparent that what was really on your agenda is your disapproval of Tarantino, although I suspected it based on your first post here. Well, thanks a lot.
Malygris on 13/4/2007 at 05:36
I didn't really want to do it, but since you capitalized "don't" like that, I'm going to call my friends first thing tomorrow and tell them the movie is off.
henke on 13/4/2007 at 05:42
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I know that any man I might meet, if he so chose and by the privilage of his sex, can violate me whether it's crooning obscenely at me in the street or abducting and raping me and even if I reported it I'd probably be labeled a liar or that I was a "slut who was asking for it."
Jesus.
Is that honestly how you see the world? That's like worrying that anyone you meet in the street might stab you in the head if they "choose" to do so. How can you function in society, let alone around members of the opposite sex, if that's how you see things? You should seek help. I'm not saying that as an insult. And stop looking for news articles about rape and murder of women. If that's all you read then it's no wonder you're getting the mad delusion that pretty much every woman ever is going to get raped and that you're in the "extreme minority" that's managed to avoid it.
