Stitch on 13/4/2007 at 16:32
Plus for all her cries about entertainment's lack of fidelity to reality and its glorification of actions detrimental to society, she's named herself after a computer game called Thief.
Vigil on 13/4/2007 at 16:34
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Swiss Mercenary on 13/4/2007 at 16:43
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For all your claims that people can enjoy violence and still be perfectly sympathetic decent folks, the way many of you have responded to me in defense of your gorefest mongering has been incredibly revealing of your own hateful indifferent nature. Irony is fun.
I've got a wife-beating scheduled in 15 minutes, so I'll make this quick.
NO, YOU
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http://gallery.pandaria.co.uk/main.php/d/846-1/fail.jpgGingerbread Man on 13/4/2007 at 19:35
Why does everyone who complains about this shit seem to conveniently forget that, as far as your brain and CNS are concerned, stimulation is stimulation? No qualitative angle, no value judgments. Excitement is excitement, whether its from pain, fear, joy, or someone jumping out and yelling BOO (except after three minutes of Doom 3, because then the JUMP OUT BOO has already become tedious and stupid).
Violence and destruction and loud noises and impending death (yours or someone else's) are all exciting. They charge up the system, even when its vicarious and safely removed.
In fact, it's precisely because it's safely removed that roller coasters, horror movies, boxing, and things of that nature are exciting... The event, the concept of what's happening, that's setting off alarm bells all up and down your CNS / brain / endochrine system / whatever else you might have. So you're launched into this OH GOD ADRENALINE RARR mode which then has to be contextualised, sorted, evaluated, and then dealt with.
This is why the best way to deal with anxiety is remember that there's a difference -- cognitively, emotionally, whateverally -- between eagerly anticipating something and being nervous or afraid. Most people who suffer from anxiety issues tend to lump all stimulation into the "oh god this is making me freaked out" when more than half the time what they've decided to deal with as unhappily dreading something would actually be more appropriately (and constructively) dealt with as excitement and anticipation.
Violence and aggression, first-hand or second-hand, propels our physiology into a state of readiness and excitement (non-value excitement). When violence is going down, there are only two basic, fundamental, instinctive and unavoidable things that we -- as animals -- are ready to do: Fight or run away.
But in a movie, a book, a tv show, a haunted house at a theme park, all the immediacy and reality of it is pretty quickly contextualised and correctly evaluated by our brains. And since we know there's no reason to be afraid (which carries with it a huge immediate and slightly less-huge longer-term resource cost to an organism) we are left with what? A state of nervous system / cortical arousal and the knowledge that nothing bad is going to happen to us.
So that arousal doesn't channel cognitively into fear or horror, but rather as its opposite.
Now, y'all can flap gums about the sociological models for the acceptance of violence and such, and you can twist and turn from Kitty Genovese to mobthink to permissiveness in pop culture and so on until you go blue. That's fine by I. But the bottom line is that monkeys do what monkeys do, and us monkeys got this brain thing that only deals with things via schemas, simulation, and expectancies. And all after the fact, at that.
Martek on 14/4/2007 at 01:40
Well, I loved the movie and was glad to have gone to see it on the "Galaxy" screen (it's the largest one in town). Even the admittedly slower Death Proof was really good once it got past all the chatter.
I can't wait for the DVD so I can catch the many things that either went by too fast for me to check out closely, or I completely missed. For example, the PDA messaging in both films looked connected. And, did Stuntman Mike have that
scar on his face in the second half of Death Proof? (And, as an aside, does Parks
always play a sheriff-type!?)
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Seriously though. . .what's so wrong about dispising Quentin Tarantino and associated directors and seeing him for what he is: a racist sexist asshole who happens to have cinematic knowledge? Except for Pulp Fiction, everything he made is absolute shit.
I don't know about Tarantino being racist or sexist. In Jackie Brown, a black female is the star of the film and the ultimate hero of the movie. Kill Bill has many "strong women" (including an asian woman that beheads a male gang leader ["
any questions!?] in front of many other male gang leaders, and that's not the
worst thing she's done to a man in her life) and several "moral" asians. In Pulp Fiction, Tarantino's own character was
married to a "black chick"! And didn't the teenage girl (played by Juliette Lewis) in Dusk to Dawn fight all the way to the end and survive the
vampire nightmare? In how many movies does someone get to kill the De Niro character? In Jackie Brown, it's a black man that has the honor. :eek:
He might (okay, does) objectify women, but he doesn't come across as racist or sexist to me.
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Honestly, he's joking. Get the flavour of Comm Chat before you start posting in it.
In these forums that's apparently called "joking". On most of the rest of the internet they call it what it is, trolling.
Cheers,
Martek
AR Master on 14/4/2007 at 01:59
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Martek on 14/4/2007 at 12:38
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If being prodded into making you look more delirious on the internet bothers you, you shouldn't be on the internet.
Cheers,
fuck you
You just basically admitted you are trolling, yet I merit a "fuck you" for calling it that? Kinda out from left field, don'tcha think? Makes no sense...
Martek
Rug Burn Junky on 14/4/2007 at 13:35
Yes, you do.
Fuck you, get out.
Martek on 14/4/2007 at 13:56
Oh lovely, more of that "flavour of Comm Chat" from another brainiac. You asshats really don't mind derailing threads with your shit do you? And then one of you will point at me instead as the derailer. Because you can just say "fuck you" in your trolling off-topic ways but when one responds to your shit then they are the bad guy. You will play "asshat point-counterpoint" all day and never consider how you selfishly derail the threads yourself with that shit. THAT is the flavor of comm chat. Yet despite your obvious trolling and lack of intelligence in your posts you dupe yourself into thinkiing I'm supposed to give a shit what you think. Thank goodness I'm not the poor soul that has to look at your face in my daily life.
This is a Grindhouse thread, if you didn't notice. Get back on topic or get out yourself. And fuck you too.
Meanwhile, I noticed that Grindhouse is now being split into two here in town - you can go see eitehr "half" by itself now, or see it all, depending on where you go to see it.
Martek
AR Master on 14/4/2007 at 13:58
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