Slamelov on 23/10/2008 at 09:34
Sorry Rene, but I don't believe you. Most people here are tired of great franchises dumbed down for the f*** consolisation. I think that editors and developers hate the words "inmersive, clever, deep, story, cooperative multiplay" in modern videogames, and it seems that game media also is contaminated with those thoughts.
Gamers are not brainless people, not all the gamers are teenagers looking for super graphics and superb explosions and destruction, there is many gamers in his 30's who looks for videogames which does not treaten him as stupids. Deus Ex was a masterpiece and now your lead designer says that is was slow. What the hell means slow?. It has a great story with amazing characters. It was a great game for the atmosphere, deep story, characters, inmersion and rythm. And many other things.
And now, the DX3 lead designer says that it was kinda slow. What do you think that DX fans could expect?. Another retard FPS?.
You have the DXIW example, it was a failure. It sold bad, it was not good for casual games, it was not good for DX fans... why don't you create a game better than DX1?, Why don't explore and improve the good things in DX1 and create a deeper game?.
DX3 will have auto-health, it will not be so "slow" like DX1, stealth system does not take account the lights, only LOS and sound... What could we expect?.
van HellSing on 23/10/2008 at 10:04
No one care to even notice that based on this snippet, the PC seems to be the main platform? I mean, console versions are not even confirmed.
Papy on 23/10/2008 at 10:19
Quote Posted by van HellSing
the PC seems to be the main platform?
He's not saying he's not sure if there will be a console version, he's just saying he's not sure on which console it will be available. Will it be only for the 360 or both for the 360 and PS3?
Edit: BTW, ZylonBane, sadly, your Monty Python reference is worth a thousand words.
van HellSing on 23/10/2008 at 10:28
"if we're to go console"
Now, of course I'm sure there will be a console version, but the article really gives the vibe that the PC is primary.
BEAR on 23/10/2008 at 14:44
Quote Posted by René
Hi all,
I'll probably get ripped for posting here but I'll go ahead.
JF isn't bashing Deus Ex. Everyone knows DX is an awesome game and most people here are real fans of it. Heck, JF has personally met with Warren, Harvey, Sheldon, etc to talk about Deus Ex! When he's referring to memorable moments, he just wants more of the significant ones, not less of the subtle ones, which DX3 like DX1 has. As good as DX1 was/is, it is very "even" with its narrative. In DX3, we are keeping those low-level revelations but also trying to deliver on bigger ones too. The "kinda slow" comment takes things out of perspective since DX3, like the originals, can be played differently depending on your style. The pace of the game is largely determined by your play style.
I dunno. I know there's not much I can say since my words are hollow without evidence to back it up. Evidence which we can't release yet due to the magazine exclusivity period. I just hope people wait to read things in depth rather than sound bites before making up their mind, and wait to see the game in action.
René
Until you double cross us and we feel totally disenfranchised (again) we will greatly appreciate any inside information. I'm slightly saddened that perhaps dev's do think that they will get flamed here for trying to offer up perspective, because most of us honestly appreciate it. Needless flaming will be frowned upon by the moderate majority, so thanks for the info!
It would be nice to have some concrete examples of what were slow moments and what were significant moments. The last game that we got ourselves excited about (and was a significant letdown) was Bioshock, and there were parts that felt like it was trying a little
too hard to be dramatic. I think a game has to be able to rely on the world that its based in rather than just a bunch of strung together "holy shit" moments, so I hope that it isn't like Bioshock in that respect.
Papy on 23/10/2008 at 17:39
Quote Posted by van HellSing
Now, of course I'm sure there will be a console version, but the article really gives the vibe that the PC is primary.
Question : If someone insinuate something pleasing to his audience but which you know is false, what is your conclusion about his motive? I know I have a tendency to be cynical, but mine is that he's just indirectly lying. If he had said : "there will console versions but we don't care much about them and if the game is not as good for console then be it", I would have been sceptical but I would thought maybe he's telling the truth. Denying there could be console version makes me think his trying too hard.
van HellSing on 23/10/2008 at 18:01
The only thing that would accomplish is engraging the console crowd. As it is, the message is quite subtle.
ZylonBane on 24/10/2008 at 13:08
Oh joy, another one of Kieron's trademark apologist screeds. What fun.
Brem_X_Jones on 24/10/2008 at 14:44
Zy: I did say that there's more than enough reason to fear and hope for the game in the actual full feature. I actually stayed well clear of what I actually think the game's going to be like, because that's neither here nor there.**
In this case, my actual ire is at my peers*. Lobbing a quote like that out for hits is rubbish journalism.
KG
*I totally understand why a fan of DX would get angry. That's why I specifically said I disagreed with Rene saying he wish people researched more before getting angry. The point of the the press is to try and present as balanced a picture as possible so people can make up their own minds off that piece alone. But a story with that quote... well, the only possible response is to get angry. Which doesn't help anyone, except people getting paid for per-click.
**If you ask, I think they've got a really hard job and I wish them luck. I think making a decent DX game is probably the hardest job in Western Games Development, and pulling it off would be pretty much miraculous. But I'm not going to write it off until I see more.
