From what you know so far, what you don't like and really make u nervous ? - by sterlino
thiefessa on 17/5/2013 at 09:04
Quote Posted by jtr7
It's a ClusterF of people wanting to reinvent a wheel that only needed less bells and whistles, but further refinement and further application. For all the fans on the team, and all the honor, and respect of a gemstone of a genre, they aren't showing more than fanservice at best, eagerness to undo what they consider mistakes that were intentional, and fundamentals and hallmarks, and making their own mistakes haphazardly trying things we already knew wouldn't work.
There isn't anything I've heard/seen yet that I can say, with conviction, "wouldn't work".
What specifically do you refer to?
Myth on 18/5/2013 at 07:33
I'd say that making Garrett a magic shadow dancer guy who can dash between shadows and slow time is a huge deviation from the original concept and design and I have a strong feeling it won't work for me. It might for the younger gamers, hell It might work for me if I autohypnotize myself into forgetting that this is supposed to be Thief, but...
Also, removing electricity and steampunk, as well as zombies, haunts and so on is definitely a BAD decision IMO. You can't just butcher the setting and lore like that.
That trailer music is so disgustingly Transformers 4 trailer material that I can't even fathom playing Thief with something like that ruining it. Especially since I started a replay of TDP recently, and the cinematics and ambient sounds just make me get goosebumps. Seriously, just play trough Bafford's and pay attention to the sounds and architecture. The narrow, small corridors, low ceilings, medievial castle like design with the large support beams. And hearing water drop here or there, or those unsettling moaning or screaching ambients. Eeeeyyy-ieeeeeeeeeee as you step into a corridor. Man...
Oh, and let's not forget NuBow, 3rd person take downs, forced 3d in climbing, removal of Taffer and general City jargon and of course, NO STEPHEN FIRICKING RUSSEL! Every time I remember that mobster voice "I don't kill without good reason, and i ceitainly don't take payment for it" I just want to facepalm my forehead into my brain.
New Horizon on 18/5/2013 at 12:16
Quote Posted by thiefessa
There isn't anything I've heard/seen yet that I can say, with conviction, "wouldn't work".
What specifically do you refer to?
Since they appear to be making a Thief game in the loosest sense, then anything could "work", but to be calling it Thief is rather disingenuous.
thiefessa on 18/5/2013 at 12:32
I understand where you're coming from because I felt like this when I fired up Deadly Shadows. Ugh. :eww:
Perhaps that is why I'm not worried at this point. I honestly believe, from what I've seen/heard so far, Thief will be much better than the last game in the franchise.
Chade on 18/5/2013 at 13:18
Quote Posted by New Horizon
All I know is, I've lived through most of this before ten years ago. All of the 'rumors' we heard about TDS back in the day were true, despite similar utterances from others to take it with a grain of salt and wait for credible sources.
I'll avoid getting into a Thief 3 argument again, and just point out that you can't generalise from a sample size of 1.
Indeed, if you were to generalise from a different game that had similarly "bad" news (regenerative health! forced third person! little takedown cutscenes! the series is
ruined!), which would be just as silly as generalising from Thief 3, you'd arrive at pretty different conclusions.
(In that case, the interesting thing is that all these facts were entirely true, and many of them were just as bad as people feared, but the overall game is still viewed positively. Turns out that executing well on a design we're uneasy about is a perfectly valid way to make TTLG mostly happy.)
New Horizon on 18/5/2013 at 13:18
Quote Posted by thiefessa
I understand where you're coming from because I felt like this when I fired up Deadly Shadows. Ugh. :eww:
Perhaps that is why I'm not worried at this point. I honestly believe, from what I've seen/heard so far, Thief will be much better than the last game in the franchise.
Which I find puzzling. Deadly Shadows made some concessions due to technological issues with the limited XBox ram and time constraints. The cut rope arrows and swimming due to not having the time to fix the issues havok physics and body awareness introduced. Everything I've seen or heard about EM's Thief is a complete departure. It may be a technologically sound game, but the creative direction (if reports are accurate) couldn't be further from Thief.
Chade on 18/5/2013 at 13:32
Seeing as I'm making all these positive posts about thief 4, I thought I should actually respond in the spirit of the thread and list the things that make me nervous.
This list may change as we find out more about the gameplay.
1)
Garrett's ridiculous costume. Bloody hell, is that thing an eyesore! This goes up the top because it's 100% confirmed, and there's no possible way it can turn out to be a good thing.
2)
The possibility that the city may be made more generic to be instantly recognisable to a larger audience.
This is potentially a much bigger deal then Garrett's costume, but I've put it at number two for now because a) it's not confirmed how far they are going, b) it sounds like they might be doing quite a good job of the "new city", and c) I do think there's room to tell a good story just relying on the city's less magical elements.
However, there is a part of me that hopes this apparent lack of magic still leaves room for mysticism and hints of dark magic lurking in the shadows, maybe not shown at the start of the game, but slowly revealed as the plot unrolls.
3)
Rumours of turmoil in the studio.
thiefessa on 18/5/2013 at 15:47
Quote Posted by New Horizon
Which I find puzzling. Deadly Shadows made some concessions due to technological issues with the limited XBox ram and time constraints. The cut rope arrows and swimming due to not having the time to fix the issues havok physics and body awareness introduced. Everything I've seen or heard about EM's Thief is a complete departure. It may be a technologically sound game, but the creative direction (if reports are accurate) couldn't be further from Thief.
These were deal breakers for me; but I realise not necessarily for you. This is the thing; we're all different.
As for creative direction... I'm waiting to see more. We've only got the trailer so far... which I thought had some nice touches to it.
Starker on 18/5/2013 at 17:29
One thing I really wouldn't like is if they make it all about the story with full cutscenes after every mission. This full capture thing they are trying may have worked for other games, but the minimalistic briefings were really setting Thief apart. Thief should be a leader not a follower.
New Horizon on 18/5/2013 at 18:52
Quote Posted by thiefessa
These were deal breakers for me; but I realise not necessarily for you. This is the thing; we're all different.
As for creative direction... I'm waiting to see more. We've only got the trailer so far... which I thought had some nice touches to it.
Oh, they were deal breakers for me too but I played the game because I bought it on day one. The purchase wouldn't have happened had I given the things being said about the game a little more gravity. We were told not to listen to what was being said...and here we are again...yet from everything I've seen or heard, this game is even FURTHER removed from the originals. :p
After I patched up TDS with the minimalist project and got rid of a lot of the annoyances, I quite enjoyed it. Where they're taking the new Thief though, there is no way to simply patch up some annoyances. To fix T4 would be akin to skin grafts and limb replacement.
