nickie on 24/8/2013 at 07:12
Quote Posted by Goldmoon Dawn
@nickie - blurb
:) I'm not trying to be difficult here. The quote says 'a certain amount of the feminine'. So I'm reading that as a noun which, to me, can have a different meaning to an adjective which I agree would usually be associated with girliness.
I don't have a need to see Garrett running across rooftops but if he's going to do that then surely it's better he moves like a dancer, or acrobat even, than a clodhopper.
SubJeff on 24/8/2013 at 07:38
I agree nickie. And ballet isn't only for girls. Anything that promotes flexibility and physical control would benefit a thief.
Goldmoon Dawn on 24/8/2013 at 08:14
Im sorry, but I will not be brainwashed by NuTeam and be glazed over because they decide to inform me, a fan from way back, that Garrett was somehow "feminine" in the previous three games!
Point me to where Garrett displays feminine qualities of *any* kind in Dark Project, Metal Age, or Deadly. Just because NuTeam announces that Garrett has feminine qualities does *not* make it so. They have blashpemed much of the series up to this point, and many have since seen this and agreed. They have completely conjured this feminine element out of thin air, to fit in with *their* new idea of who Garrett should be.
I repeat, in the original games, Stephen Russells voice and the fleeting glimpses we have of Garrett are not even on the same planet as this "feminine quality" BS.
Someone please, explain to me how Garrett has feminine qualities in the first three games.
From dictionary.com:
adjective
1. pertaining to a woman or girl: feminine beauty; feminine dress.
2. having qualities traditionally ascribed to women, as sensitivity or gentleness.
3. effeminate; womanish: a man with a feminine walk.
4. belonging to the female sex; female: feminine staff members.
noun
6. the feminine gender.
From Merriam-Webster.com:
adjective
1: female 1a(1)
2: characteristic of or appropriate or unique to women
3: of, relating to, or constituting the gender that ordinarily includes most words or grammatical forms referring to females
noun
1 : a noun, pronoun, adjective, or inflectional form or class of the feminine gender
2 : the embodiment or conception of a timeless or idealized feminine nature
From thefreedictionary.com
adj.
1. Of or relating to women or girls. See Synonyms at female.
2. Characterized by or possessing qualities generally attributed to a woman.
3. Effeminate; womanish.
4. Grammar Designating or belonging to the gender of words or grammatical forms that refer chiefly to females or to things classified as female.
n. Grammar
1. The feminine gender.
2. A word or form belonging to the feminine gender.
This whole thing is absolutely RIDICULOUS.
Vivian on 24/8/2013 at 08:26
He does throw like a girl tbh
SubJeff on 24/8/2013 at 08:36
Ha ha.
386DX on 24/8/2013 at 09:18
Quote Posted by Vivian
He does throw like a girl tbh
I thought that same thing when I watched the intro to Thief 2!
nickie on 24/8/2013 at 09:43
@ GD, I'm not arguing that your interpretation is wrong. Neither am I suggesting he has feminine 'qualities'. I read it differently from you, that's all. From a sort of human biology point of view.
Chade on 24/8/2013 at 11:37
Quote Posted by Goldmoon Dawn
I still fail to see how even this interpretation is a bigger challenge than his original epic and legendary journey to rob a God, namely one Trickster ... It seems laughable that Garrett being put into some uncomfortable feminine emo situation is a bigger challenge than the trials that shaped a man in Thief: The Dark Project.
Why not? Thief 1 contained no challenge other then to Garrett's skill. Turns out he's pretty damn at overcoming those challenges. This is thief 1's story in a nutshell:
Are you good enough to rob the sword? Ok, looks like you're pretty good. So, are you good enough to rob the eye? Geez, you're pretty awesome aren't you? Well, ha ha! Jokes on you! Bet you're not awesome enough to rob a god! Oh, you are that awesome? Well damn.
If you think about all the different ways Garrett could be challenged, beyond more skill at thievery, I don't think it's such an outlandish statement to make.
Re: feminine side, I don't think we have enough information to judge what Gallagher meant. A lot of people are objecting to the word, and describing traits that they feel contradict the description ... and quite a few of the traits being thrown up are also traits that Gallagher used to describe Garrett in thief 4.
For example, Garrett is a loner, almost never act violently unless necesary, not someone you'd want to meet in a dark alley. All allegedly "non-feminine" traits (hah!), all also used by Gallagher to describe garrett.
The only thing that we know for sure about how Gallagher is using the word feminine is to contrast with the muscular chest out insanely exagerrated triangular bodyshape sort of masculinity ... and as far as that goes, he's completely right.
Springheel on 24/8/2013 at 12:26
Quote:
"Loss of a female protégé, to which there was an in the least very ambivalent relationship" is more like it.
And how does this sit with the "in my dreams I see her dying" line? That didn't sound particularly ambivalent.
