Goldmoon Dawn on 23/8/2013 at 22:36
Quote Posted by Vivian
WTF is a feminine side? Feelings and stuff? What is this, the sixties?
The man himself...
Garrett: "I've always equated feelings with getting caught. They both get in the way of my money".
@nickie - First NuTeam is talking about how feminine Garrett was. Considering the first three games in the series, I do not see anything resembling a feminine side to Garrett, nor does anyone else. Then, NuTeam says that they patterned Garretts new stance after a ballet dancer.
I interjected the "getting in touch with his feminine side" based upon the fact that Garrett had no feminine side in the previous games, nor was he using ballet stances. So it is easy to see, jokingly at worst, that Garrett will now be "getting in touch with his feminine side".
Random_Taffer on 24/8/2013 at 02:02
^ Utterly brilliant!
Dia on 24/8/2013 at 02:29
I love you, Q.
Tbh, I thought the whole 'feminine side' thing referred more to NuGarrett's NuStature; you know, slight of build, slender, agile as a cat - not that a man can't or shouldn't be, but that's how I interpreted the phrase from the article. I mean, NuGarrett would have to be all of the above if he's going to go parkouring across rooftops and swooping around the city, right? I was just having fun with it since it really sounded lame (imo) when I read the quote in the article - really lame. All I could do was a facepalm, shake my head, and walk away.
And then make fun of the whole thing.
:ebil:
I have to agree with Brethren; I always believed Garrett to be sort of a very reluctant hero - a thief with a conscience. Sure, he's a thief and that's how he earns his living, but he does have a heart - remember how he cried 'No!' when Viktoria died? You can't make me believe he didn't feel something then. And what about helping Jenivere escape? Garrett has shown instances of compassion - albeit reluctantly for the most part. Yeah, he'll rob you blind if you've got loot worth stealing; he has to make a living afterall. But back him into a corner, tell him that there's a maniac who's going to release poison gas and kill everyone in the city and he'll kick into overdrive trying to save the city's residents (and kill the bad guy in the process). Not saying he's altruistic by any means, just that imo he's always struck me as being kind of an anti-hero. Without a feminine side - physical or otherwise. NuGarrett comes across (once again, imo) as more of an egoist. Who likes to hang out in brothels. And wears lots of leather and buckles and straps and lacing and a corset and too much eye makeup and carries a silly looking bow all while wearing an equally silly looking mask.
:p
Boxsmith on 24/8/2013 at 03:01
Quote Posted by Starker
I don't know, Thief doesn't lend itself to story-driven drama all that well. We saw that in T3.
Could you elaborate on this?
Starker on 24/8/2013 at 03:44
Quote Posted by Boxsmith
Could you elaborate on this?
T3 tried to have dramatic cutscenes with characters we knew very little about. The problem is that Thief is a game where you spend most of the time thieving, not watching events unfold in cut scenes. Plus there is a long time between the cutscenes. Not really suited for introducing and developing characters and their relationships. That was also the case with Garrett and Victoria in T2. We never did get enough justification for the dramatic "Nooooo" before Soulforge. Thief would be more suitable for a simpler story that doesn't detract from the gameplay. This is why an introverted loner/filmnoirish anti-hero like Garrett is ideally suited for Thief -- there's no need for long justifications for his motives or deep explorations of his feelings.
Goldmoon Dawn on 24/8/2013 at 05:02
Quote Posted by Chade
1) They didn't say taking the hook was the biggest challenge. They said that the position he finds himself in after taking the hook is his biggest challenge. Maybe something about having to deal with feelings he's never had before, or maybe something else, we don't really know yet.
I still fail to see how even this interpretation is a bigger challenge than his original epic and legendary journey to rob a God, namely one Trickster. NuTeam did after all say that Garrett enjoyed challenges in the past, but his biggest challenge was this NuThing. Did they not?
Quote Posted by NuTeam
"Garrett's been challenging himself as a master thief for many years; the bigger the job, the harder the challenge. I think the biggest challenge for him is by taking [Erin's hook] that day, it's put him in a very strange position."
It seems laughable that Garrett being put into some uncomfortable feminine emo situation is a bigger challenge than the trials that shaped a man in Thief: The Dark Project. If, on the other hand, they meant to say that his biggest challenge in *NuThief* was such and such, then why did they mention his previous challenges immediately beforehand in said quote?
It becomes increasingly apparent that this new group of adventurers did not really play and understand the first pivotal game in the series. They, instead, probably watched some cutscenes, a few game play videos, laughed at the aging graphics, and called it a day.
Llama on 24/8/2013 at 05:14
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
He's not a blank slate, he has a personality and in Thief 1, 2, 3 he is most definitely not feminine. He's a hard nosed m*therf@cker, extremely selfish, not "in touch" with a feminine side at all, a criminal and someone you'd not want to meet in a dark allley in your worst nightmares.
That's what makes him such a great character - he's one of the only real bad guys who is also the protagonist. Don't be under any illusions, this is not a hero, this is a definite antihero.
I never got the feeling Garrett was a "bad guy". I always thought of him as a person who is self interested. Garrett didn't exude malice. I wouldn't worry about Garrett murdering me... I'd be afraid that he'd steal all my money if he knew I had lots of it to steal.
Llama on 24/8/2013 at 05:18
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
What?
I mean, he does save the world like 3 times... yeah. he's a good guy.
SubJeff on 24/8/2013 at 07:04
I'm surprised at all you Garrett apologists.
He's a Thief. Somehow you've decided he's a good guy because he gets roped into all this stuff, but it's his fate. Being a true Byronic antihero is what makes this character so good.
