Muzman on 13/12/2009 at 13:14
As I was saying.
Now that all lines of argument and evidence for... pretty much anything really have been discredited (unless it comes from a conclusion pre approved by you of course) you should write a book on how to order reality.
You'll make a fortune, it's not like anyone could dispute its conclusions (be sure to state why they must buy it on the cover though, and why they should open it. Reading it is probably optional)
Fragony on 13/12/2009 at 13:26
Quote Posted by Muzman
As I was saying.
Now that all lines of argument and evidence for... pretty much anything really have been discredited
Can't just decide that, you will have to do that first, so gimme
ceebs on 13/12/2009 at 13:27
Well any evidence really
weve shown that your claims are wrong, weve shown that it is happening at rates worse than the IPCC report weve provided lots of evidence.
Now I for one dont give a flying fuck if you want to remain an idiot, but have just been providing information in case other people are impressed by your comitted intransigence, and are convinced that anyone who is that determined to be wrong in the face of massive evidence must in some way be right.
However I can see that very few people are convinced, so unless you have any evidence (For which you need to provide links, so we can look and see whether they are at all reasonable. The rule is if you cant provide data or links, then you have no argument As youi've argued elsewhere in this thread)why should we waste our time with you?
Youve argued that mankind cant change the climate (That needs some external reference as to why, because from what we can see you're just stamping your feet and saying "cant" not providing any real reason)
then youve argued that its not actually changing, then youve alleged some massive scientific conspiracy (for what reason I just dont know, you must have been watching too many black and white monster movies)you say that the data is manipulated, but analysis from neutral observers says that that asessment of the UEA emails is laughable. oh and the "There are plenty of polar bears, in fact we're having to shoot more all the time because there are so many, might just be downto them having to come south because the ice that they live on is meltiing
So do you have any evidence?
Fragony on 13/12/2009 at 13:33
Not pretending I have, but you can be absolutely terrified of CO2 if you want to
Muzman on 13/12/2009 at 14:41
Quote Posted by Fragony
Can't just decide that, you will have to do that first, so gimme
Did it already (well various people did), you didn't read it or argue it one way or the other.
I'm not here to convince you, I'm here to assess your case. The more of it people see, the less of a case you'll be seen to have. You can be cast to the wind. Everyone else needs to know that you and the people on whose information you rely aren't telling the truth about climate science. And its been pointed out many times and is easy to find.
You've got no evidence or argument that there was manipulation, collusion or conspiracy that can't be easily defeated. All the reasons you say the data aren't sound are baseless. The temperature is trending upwards, you have no argument against that. The correlation with C02 emissions is strong, you have no argument against that either. You've given only the usual canards, rather than any interesting case for the severity. All that's left is brainless brickwall denial.
It's no skin off mine one way or the other. So, you know, take this endless fending-off position if you like. Believe it is unassailable and the burden of proof lies elsewhere (and it does, except you're not arguing against what evidence there is). People will think for themselves and see how little you have (and by extension Rush Limbaugh, Bolt, Monkton, WHatupwiththat guy, Plimer, et al). S'all there in the links.
The best part is, even if nothing much does happen, you still won't have been right, except in the 'stopped watch' sense.
Fragony on 13/12/2009 at 14:51
That sounds almost like a deep skull-fuck, slowly.....
But the data is still wrong, the earth hasn't been warming up for 10(11?) years.
ceebs on 13/12/2009 at 14:56
Quote Posted by Fragony
Not pretending I have, but you can be absolutely terrified of CO2 if you want to
Well im not terrified of CO2, but it is something we have to do something about. And your terrified of what? being told you cant do something because your desires have tun up hard against the laws of physics? The evil communists? what has you so comitted to the denialist cause that you believe it when you admit you have no evidence even against the large volumes that we have put up? Do you work in the PR department of Royal Dutch Shell or something?
Fragony on 13/12/2009 at 15:11
Quote Posted by ceebs
Do you work in the PR department of Royal Dutch Shell or something?
thx but no, maybe I should
Muzman on 13/12/2009 at 15:44
Quote Posted by Fragony
That sounds almost like a deep skull-fuck, slowly.....
But the data is still wrong, the earth hasn't been warming up for 10(11?) years.
If you're that flexible, I say go for it.
If the data is wrong how do you know this?
(and: is it a conspiracy because there is consensus or because there isn't?)
