Fragony on 13/12/2009 at 08:22
Quote Posted by Namdrol
OK, I see the level we've reached.
Fragony you are consumed with fear, it has influenced your posts from the start.
(Just had a browse through this thread again. Forgotten how long it had been going on, how much evidence had been presented and how much horseshit Frag has written.)
Don't worry mate, the fear and dread will fade one day and you'll wake to a bright dawn.
:laff:
Yeah, that. I thought I had an irrational lack of fear, that's in the schoolbooks at least.
It isn't really about the mails anymore, don't you people read newspapers, Nasa has been busted, our KNMI has been busted, these kiwi's have been busted, them vikings have been busted, all rubbing up results.
Far more terrifying would be some countervailing science.So you mean you haven't looked for any, Simon says 'it's this' oh, ok
Muzman on 13/12/2009 at 08:41
Only if you read only the New Statesman and that's all. (everyone try reading Fragony's posts in Rorschach's voice. It's enlightening) then ignore all subsequent follow ups that have been done and everything written about here and everywhere else.
NZ was a beat up, climate gate was a fizzer- it's already dead as a story unless they turn up something like some draft suicide note phil jones sent out for peer review where he confesses it was all a lie, NASA was a little slow on an FOI request from a noted crank (several in fact). Oh fie, the reptilian illuminati conspiracy of it all.
Got any evidence? That's generally the sort of thing an argument needs. Try it.
Are you familiar with the psychological concept of projection? That's where you attribute your failings to those of your percieved enemies. Your brick wall, argument free, well poisoning, factoid style paints you the religious one. Not everyone else. Hate to break it to you.
Fragony on 13/12/2009 at 08:56
Do you got any evidence? Why should I provide any, it's enough for me that there is no concensus and that the data has been manipulated.
I do know the logic of the reversed argument by the way.
Muzman on 13/12/2009 at 09:12
I posted before about how the NZ story was a beat up. zombe and others have been refuting your canards repeatedly.
Everything you've had to say has been beaten with the scientific data time and again. All you have are conspiracy theories and your intuition that scientists can't be right, and a whole bunch of people who hold the same groundless position.
There are people who can argue against climate change various ways. You haven't employed their arguments. That would require too much nuance. You've only repeated endlessly debunked canards, misinformation and misrepresentation. On this issue you and yours are no better than Ray Comfort is on evolution (and probably christianity for that matter)
Namdrol on 13/12/2009 at 09:20
Quote Posted by Fragony
Do you got any evidence?
There are 16 pages here, with link after link of evidence, research and explanation.
So far you have offered nothing except a couple of blogs.
And yet we are the misguided fools?
Fragony on 13/12/2009 at 09:25
Quote Posted by Muzman
I posted before about how the NZ story was a beat up. zombe and others have been refuting your canards repeatedly.
Everything you've had to say has been beaten with the scientific data time and again. All you have are conspiracy theories and your intuition that scientists can't be right, and a whole bunch of people who hold the same groundless position.
There are people who can argue against climate change various ways. You haven't employed their arguments. That would require too much nuance. You've only repeated endlessly debunked canards, misinformation and misrepresentation. On this issue you and yours are no better than Ray Comfort is on evolution (and probably christianity for that matter)
Can't just decide something is a beat up. I again I don't need to give any arguments, I do not have to give any links, it's enough for my case that there is no concensus and that data has been manipulated, fact.
Pyrian on 13/12/2009 at 10:07
Quote Posted by Fragony
...I don't need to give any arguments, I do not have to give any links...
Don't confuse being incapable of providing evidence with not needing to. The whole
point is that overwhelming evidence
is against your position.
Quote Posted by Fragony
...it's enough for my case that there is no concensus and that data has been manipulated, fact.
In the face of overwhelming evidence, that isn't nearly enough. Absolute consensus, after all, is a standard which cannot be met for virtually any statement - there will always be
somebody contrary and/or manipulating data, even if it's just
you, personally. Claiming that the fact that you, personally, disagree, is somehow meaningful is nonsense.
Fragony on 13/12/2009 at 10:40
Quote Posted by Pyrian
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In the face of overwhelming evidence, that isn't nearly enough. Absolute consensus, after all, is a standard which cannot be met for virtually any statement - there will always be
somebody contrary and/or manipulating data, even if it's just
you, personally. Claiming that the fact that you, personally, disagree, is somehow meaningful is nonsense.
We know how they work, the other side isn't welcome in the debate.
It has never been different, times of great prosperity and apocalyptic religions go hand in hand, man feels undeserving. But now we are having our little flaggalant-party while the rest of the world marches on, we are losing our edge this way. Whatever we do, the rest doesn't so there is no need anyhow. Nature is doing fantastic anyway it has never been better.
