zombe on 30/11/2009 at 22:28
Quote Posted by Fragony
But don't we have a little problem here, that problem being manipulated data.
What are you talking about? If you refer to the criminal actions of some douchebags involving lots of emails that have created quite a stir amongst other douchebags then that "argument" will do you no good.
1. I remind you that reading other persons email without consent and/or other legal means is quite immoral. (Kind of the most important thing to note about this subject for me here.)
2. Stolen data is not quite useful for ... anything really. Besides entertaining some douchebags.
3. At worst, ie someone there really fudged with the data and somehow got away with it: their credibility, investments, salaries, future etc are down the toilet (fudging with data in science world is an kiss-of-death to your science career). Their minor inconsistencies they managed to get trough peer review will be corrected (Not that it matters. You ain't got a Theory if no one can confirm it independently) - does not affect consensus.
4. So far nothing has hinted there might be any chance for pt 3 to be true.
5. Emails are not peer reviewed - i fail to care what to who about whatever was said.
6. What has all this to do with global warming - anthropogenic or not.
Classic denialist approach of hopping around mindlessly, throwing random shit up in an endless endeavor of feeding his own confirmation bias, in hopes that some day after long history of abysmal failures - something sticks.
Master Villain on 1/12/2009 at 00:09
Quote Posted by jay pettitt
the denialsphere
They have a SPHERE now?
jay pettitt on 1/12/2009 at 01:01
they also have a denial-o-matic(tm)
Fragony on 1/12/2009 at 09:38
Quote Posted by DDL
but they also all disagree with EACH OTHER, which lessens the impact somewhat...
That's not a problem for me but for the concensus-lemmings, you guys accept only one thing and that is CO2. Personally I feel that rising temperatures are important for something such as global warming, but the earth isn't warming up despite an increase of CO2, fact
Also not unimportant, massive new taxes.
Fragony on 1/12/2009 at 09:59
Quote Posted by DDL
And ultimately, those who are pretty convinced that man-made climate change is happening, and who are making efforts to prevent it,
can afford to be wrong.
Climate change deniers
cannot.
I disagree, bad idea to drain the blood out of our economy's with extra taxes and more government control.
Socialism: let's heavily regulate economy
Warmism: let's heavily regulate economy, for the trees!
BLAM 30 billion dollar to Africa, of which 80% ends up in Switzerland like all foreign aid, it's gone.
Muzman on 1/12/2009 at 10:22
Quote Posted by Fragony
That's not a problem for me but for the concensus-lemmings, you guys accept only one thing and that is CO2. Personally I feel that rising temperatures are important for something such as global warming, but the earth isn't warming up despite an increase of CO2, fact
This time, do tell us why NASA et al are wrong about this won't you?
Fragony on 1/12/2009 at 10:41
Quote Posted by Muzman
This time, do tell us why NASA et al are wrong about this won't you?
Why ask me ask them, also ask them how they could miss a piece of ice the size of Texas when you are at it, temperatures have been stable for 10 years now, you know that thingie they wanted to cover up.
DDL on 1/12/2009 at 10:44
Quote Posted by Fragony
temperatures have been stable for 10 years now
Link?
Oh wait, just had a look. I guess you
could argue for this, if you consider temperatures of something a huge as the fucking planet to be viewable in only small windows, and ignore the steady rise for the previous 100+ years. A trend which also entirely accommodates the ten year 'stability'.
Or you could ask yourself: are we getting entirely freakish weather events with increasing frequency?
...why, yes.
Aerothorn on 1/12/2009 at 10:54
Quote Posted by Fragony
BLAM 30 billion dollar to Africa, of which 80% ends up in Switzerland like all foreign aid, it's gone.
wait what does foreign aid to Africa have to do with global warming?
And here I was thinking I was following this.
Fragony on 1/12/2009 at 10:59
Quote Posted by Aerothorn
wait what does foreign aid to Africa have to do with global warming?
Because the EU just send 30 billion euro to Africa to be invested in durable energylol, for the trees! NGO's are always hungry
