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Nicker on 8/6/2025 at 13:31

Fair enough, Azaran. I wouldn't want random visits from the Red Guards either - nor the Brown Shirts, nor ICE, nor the RCMP (who did that to Canadian First nations, taking their children to be trained up as factory fodder and domestic servants).

While some ideologies are more prone to abuse, it's always humans seeking out how to exploit systems for their own benefit.

And hang in there. I will contribute some forgotten history to help get this thread back on track.

SD on 8/6/2025 at 18:26

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I don't get SD's premise. I am not aware of any communist tolerance on the scale of Musk doing a straight-up Sieg Heil and nobody on the right-wing giving a rat's ass about it. Trump has straight-up pardoned a number of brazen neo-nazi "very fine people". Democrats barely tolerate friggen' Sanders, nevermind actual communists.

I live in the UK, things are different here.

Azaran on 10/6/2025 at 14:14

Not forgotten, but not talked about enough. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods) Operation Northwoods, one of the most diabolical proposals the US government ever came up with. This was a plan to stage false flag terrorist attacks in the US, and blame them on Cuba, to stoke public anger and garner support for an invasion of Cuba.

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The possibilities detailed in the document included the remote control of civilian aircraft which would be secretly repainted as U.S. Air Force planes,[2] a fabricated 'shoot down' of a U.S. Air Force fighter aircraft off the coast of Cuba, the possible assassination of Cuban immigrants, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas,[3] blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating terrorism in U.S. cities.

What's shocking is this wasn't a crazy proposal by some random ultraconservative general. This was approved by the Chiefs of Staff and all it needed was the final checkmark by JFK, who thankfully rejected it. So they were ready to get this going if the president gave the green light.

One of the JFK assassination theories I'd read about is that he was killed for rejecting Operation Northwoods; it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility (but that's a whole other discussion):

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U.S. military leaders began to perceive Kennedy as going soft on Cuba, and the President became increasingly unpopular with the military. A rift had already developed during Kennedy's disagreements with the service chiefs over the Cuban Missile Crisis in October 1962 and flared up again with his June 10, 1963 announcement of a unilateral U.S. Test Ban Treaty.

I may not believe 9/11 false flag conspiracies, but I can understand how some people would suspect an inside job after learning of the above operation.

Tocky on 11/6/2025 at 23:58

Well remember the Maine worked for the Spanish American war. I mean, how dare they let our boiler blow up while we are off shore of the country they oppress.

Speaking of the Spanish, I recently discovered that most Mexicans do not understand that they are descended from Europeans. Spain is in Europe. They think whitey came over and killed all the natives and Cortez just came over and tickled them into submission or something. I don't know. Do they not have history classes in Mexico? I mean, there are still some natives in Mexico but they were nearly wiped out and the blending with them there was no more than the blending in the US.

It's amazing because I have to correct my own left leaning people who I thought were more well read.

mxleader on 12/6/2025 at 03:31

Quote Posted by Tocky

Speaking of the Spanish, I recently discovered that most Mexicans do not understand that they are descended from Europeans. Spain is in Europe. They think whitey came over and killed all the natives and Cortez just came over and tickled them into submission or something. I don't know. Do they not have history classes in Mexico? I mean, there are still some natives in Mexico but they were nearly wiped out and the blending with them there was no more than the blending in the US.

Most 'Muricans I run into don't realize that Mexicans are Spaniards. Even the sarape has European influences.

Also, the prevalent religion in Mexico is Roman Catholic so their education is that of conservative Republicans - Probably...

Nicker on 12/6/2025 at 04:35

RC's are too pagan for Republicans.

Tocky on 13/6/2025 at 02:47

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Sadly true. Even their religion was spread at the point of a sword. I know Canada is ashamed of it's attempted eradication of local beliefs and the US should be but neither was as bad as the Spanish forced cultural takeover.

heywood on 13/6/2025 at 12:07

We call it all Latin America, but the ethnicity is diverse. I think Mexico and most of central America is closer to half Spanish, half indigenous with a high percentage of Meztizo (mixed). Whereas Argentina and Uruguay are highly European. Argentina is Spanish and Italian with small pockets of indigenous. Peru is mostly indigenous. Guyana and Suriname have a lot of African slave descendants. Brazil is a melting pot of many different European ethnicities and indigenous. There are Asian populations in many different places.

Tocky on 13/6/2025 at 17:57

I used to think that too until I read of the persecution of native populations. I'm sure there is some mixing... through various means. Odd that you say Peru is mostly indigenous when that is where so many natives were wiped out that Machu Picchu was built to hide from Spanish persecutors. How do they figure that? Are you going by skin color? Is it some whitewashing by those countries to deny the past? Pizzaro set quite the tone for the genocide that followed.

Pyrian on 13/6/2025 at 19:11

Machu Picchu substantially predates contact and was abandoned as the Peruvian population was decimated by war and disease post-contact. It seems that it has less European ancestry than, say, Argentina, simply by dint of having less immigration. Same with Ecuador. I wonder if it's mostly just because it's so much harder to sail around the cape?