Starker on 27/5/2018 at 15:17

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Dark Souls absolutely does. As did Morrowind and VTMB and Silent Hill 2. Which games resonate with you is a deeply personal matter and there are many people out there for whom Thief does nothing. And that's fine -- it is a matter of taste, after all.

Edit: if my post doesn't seem to make sense in context, it's because the person I was replying to deleted their post and the context.

Naked on 27/5/2018 at 17:39

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I feel as though I'm visiting an aisle within the nostalgia department. Of course it is all very subjective but I just don't see ideal conditions for hatching the kind of visionaries we once had. Back then this game was on the cutting edge of development and there was no clear vision into what the future would hold due to rapidly advancing technology and programming. I think we all know what to expect now because of Moore's law and the overall flat lining of what most games will "look like" for the foreseeable future. See, years ago graphics were more crucial to the overall quality of gameplay one could expect, IMO, since 3D game design was still in its infancy. Today graphics don't concern me at all, as long as the game is at least 3D. I don't want to hear it was always a "niche" either, as the Thief and Tomb Raider demos were pasted onto every Flight Simulator 98 CD and many other mainstream titles of the time. It was a luxury to have a 3D game in the 1990's and well flaunted for a reason. Twenty years later 3D is default and along with VR, the innovation and passion seem lackluster enough to cause an unsettled feeling in the gut. The present day industry seems to me, a forecast for the next generation of button pushers as being quite evident. We are clearly in different times.

It is possible that I long for a truly dated concept, that I have had a hard time accepting the way it all turned out, etc. I don't know for sure. Here is what I do know; Nothing ever captivated me the same way. It could also be that I'm simply getting older and developing the classic "get off my lawn" old man persona and so my logic compounds, lol.

Udo on 28/5/2018 at 15:42

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Agree with disappointment(and no, IMO it´s not related to age). I barely bought or played newer games from the last years. If so, then mostly indie games - the only good thing of the last years, as there are some games that resemble the classics and aren´t just about graphics. Good thing there are so many older games from the golden era(90ties and first half of 2000s) that I couldn´t afford back these days and are sold now for a tip on Steam.
OTOH, I don´t expect much from new games anymore. Too much for appeasing casuals. As nice as the Dishonored games(or Styx) are, but I really would like to see a game in this genre that doesn´t include a distance quest marker :ebil: .

I also blame computer magazines for going games downhill. They all complaint about the graphics of games like Thief. As if graphics are the only thing that makes a game good.
Years later they got what they deserved, some magazines went out of business and their pen pushers became unemployed. Serves them right :devil: .

Ev0luti0n_ on 29/5/2018 at 07:00

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It's okay to ramble man. Feel free. Haha

mikjames on 29/5/2018 at 15:59

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You obviously haven't played Thief 2014 yet OP, that masterpiece right there will shatter your expectations ;)
In all seriousness though, if you can't find something to like in the many masterpieces that have been crafted since 2000, well you don't have to. You can just stay in the late 90's like nothing ever changed or evolved, no HD Thief texture packs for you either.

The only titles I can think of that haven't been done objectively better overall are the Thief games, and yeah that kind of sucks, but Dishonored and Dishonored 2 certainly aren't any less masterful in their own way. Take Deus Ex for example, while perhaps a slightly more open ended than it's modern counterparts, the ai is a steaming pile of crap in comparison to any modern game as well as the old Thief games.
The Thief series is one of the few games that still holds up today in nearly every imaginable way, even graphically with a few mods, but can you honestly say modern gaming has offered us nothing?

Remember these:
Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim
Fallout 3, NV, 4
Vampire the Masquerade
Bioshock 1 & 2
Batman Arkham Series
Assassin's Creed Black Flag, & The Ezio Trilogy
Far Cry 1 & 2
Crysis & Warhead
Dishonored 1 & 2
Deus Ex Human Revolution & Mankind Devided
Alien Isolation
Witcher series
Thief Deadly Shadows (Only with TDS Gold Mod, and even then it's a few point behind Thief 1 and 2, but far from the train wreck of Thief 2014)
Middle Earth Shadow of Mordor & Shadow of War
Mirror's Edge
Mafia 1 & 2
Styx 1 & 2
Splinter Cell 1, 2, & 3
Just Cause 1, 2, & 3
The Dark Mod
Star Wars The Force Unleashed 1 & 2
Simpson's Hit & Run
The Lord of the Rings Return of the King
Super Smash Bros Melee
Ratchet & Clank
Guitar Hero
Burnout 3
Gran Turismo
Grand Theft Auto 3, VC, SA, 5
...and so many more

If you haven't laughed, cried tears of joy, and grinned like the joker himself while plowing through pedestrians in Just Cause/Gta/Mafia, or felt the tension as you snuck up on your enemies in Dishonored, Deus Ex HR, Styx, Splinter Cell, Alien Isolation, or laughed along with friends while playing Smash Bros, Guitar Hero, or Lord of the Rings, then you just haven't live my friend, and it's not too late for you ;)

I see your point about the lack of a Thief successor Raven, but it's time to stop mourning what can never be, and instead appreciate what we have. We have 4 excellent Thief games, Thief Gold, Thief 2, Thief 2x, and TDM all updated to look graphically impressive, and we have one less excellent but still very enjoyable TDS. We also have 100's if not 1000's of fan missions. If we can sit here and complain about the lack of a good successor, imagine how fans of VTM Bloodlines felt up until Vampyr was recently announced? We've got nothing to complain about.