Naked on 26/5/2018 at 20:00
If Thief was a part of your childhood like it was mine, then you had automatically been set up for perpetual disappointment as far as the gaming industry was concerned. I was 13 and I remember being so excited about the future of the gaming industry, thinking it was just the beginning back in 1998. Little did my fresh young mind foresee that the beginning was actually the end. Did anybody else think that way back then? Perhaps my mindset was simply immature and naïve and I didn't see it coming due to the bubble I was in. To this day though, when I think back I specifically remember getting this huge ball of excitement down in my gut when internalizing what I thought the future of the industry would look like and thinking "Wow, what a time to be alive!", but then the gaming industry took a dead end fork in the road around the year 2000 and that was it, IMO.
voodoo47 on 26/5/2018 at 20:48
well, hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
Azaran on 26/5/2018 at 21:04
I was 15-16 in 1998, but was playing Quake 1, Rise of the Triad and Duke Nukem 3d. I only discovered Thief 5-6 years later.
I disagree that things went downhill around 2000 for gaming (for music on the other hand, don't get me started...). Sure, there was no repeat of Thief 1 and 2, but look at all the great stuff we got. Doom 3, Oblivion, Skyrim, Dishonoured, Half Life 2, &c, ad infinitum....
demagogue on 26/5/2018 at 22:12
I was 22. In my case I felt like the games of that period were the culmination of everything that had come before, building up from the late 80s and 90s, especially things like Ultima and other cRPGs, taken into 3D. They fit their time. Games today fit their time too, so it's not surprising that line atrophied. But you still see its legacy in some games (like Dishonored) and in indie titles.
Raven on 26/5/2018 at 22:28
Yup, this is exactly right.
Every game after thief 2 has been a disappointment.
Dishonored is up there as a spiritual sequel, but it was a hell of a wait for it to appear. I think the astoundingly slow progress of innovation and capitalization of the potential shown by thief has kinda destroyed my imagination about the potential of future games - playing skyrim on the switch just now (never managed to get into it on the PC). Most of the time I still wish I was playing a real thief three. Basically every great game I have played after thief two has left me thinking, this is pretty cool - but it would be better if it was more like thief. '
Azaran on 26/5/2018 at 22:47
Quote Posted by Raven
Most of the time I still wish I was playing a real thief three. Basically every great game I have played after thief two has left me thinking, this is pretty cool - but it would be better if it was more like thief. '
Have you tried the (
http://www.thedarkmod.com/main/) Dark Mod?
Design and gameplay wise, it's what Thief 3 should have been
Naked on 26/5/2018 at 23:00
I think what Raven means is that there is acceptance in that no matter what, there exists some form of collateral damage which was imparted by a critical, enigmatic expectation that came after Thief 2. Raven you sound hopeless, just like me!
Starker on 27/5/2018 at 01:43
I've been gaming much longer and the way I see it there are cycles of lots of good games made in a short amount of time interspersed with only a few good games being made in a longer period of time. I certainly don't think games hit a dead end around 2000, though. In fact, many of my favourite games have come out since 2000:
Wizardry 8, Anachronox, Gothic 1-2, Eternal Darkness, Morrowind, Warcraft 3, Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic, Arx Fatalis, Jedi Outcast, Jedi Academy, Silent Hill 2-3, Beyond Good and Evil, Viewtiful Joe, Max Payne 1-2, KotOR 1-2, Half-Life 2, VTMB, Katamari Damacy, Resident Evil 4, Civilization 4, F.E.A.R, S.T.A.L.K.E.R, Fallout New Vegas, God Hand, Hitman: Blood Money, Portal, Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, The Witcher 1-3, Left 4 Dead, Far Cry 2, Braid, Dragon Age: Origins, Demon's Souls, Dark Souls 1-3, Bloodborne, The Chronicles of Riddick, Amnesia, Bastion, The Walking Dead, Spec Ops: The Line, Mark of the Ninja, Guacamelee!, The Binding of Isaac, Alien: Isolation, Shovel Knight, Wolfenstein: The New Order, This War of Mine, Undertale, Ori and the Blind Forest, Soma, The Witness, Inside, Darkest Dungeon, Superhot, Resident Evil 7, Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice, Dishonored, Prey, Hollow Knight, Thimbleweed Park, Tyranny.
And I'm sure I missed a lot of games and other people's favourites, like Persona and Breath of the Wild and whatnot.
Azaran on 27/5/2018 at 02:47
Plus the golden age of Thief fan missions has been squarely in the post 2000 era, with each passing year bringing ever more impressive and ground breaking (albethey lesser in number) missions.
So much for the Hopeless Taffers Society :p
Ev0luti0n_ on 27/5/2018 at 12:12
It's nostalgia speaking.... There are great games nowadays too. It's a shame, that there was no proper thief sequel, from a major studio, I mean. I bought thief 4,for Xbox one, 2 months ago, and haven't played more than 2/3 hours. It was so sad... :(
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