Tocky on 19/4/2008 at 15:35
Unless the device cuts the sausage completely off and gives them blood loss to keep thier hands busy while the woman runs away then the lack of morality does not preclude any horror the rapist might commit.
Frankly I think a bullet to the head is a good cure but I would be loathe to suggest more guns in Africa.
nickie on 19/4/2008 at 15:37
As SE said, again, I just envisage a scenario whereby, once you've actually fought as much as you can and you don't get away and you are raped then the resulting fury generated by the pain is more likely to result in much more serious physical damage than otherwise might be the case.
Unless you think the pain would be incapacitating - in which case, I think that would be a different matter as it may well prevent the rape. But again, if more than one male was involved then I really don't like to think of the consequences when he sees what you've done to his best mate.
fett on 19/4/2008 at 15:48
Ok, I see your point. I wasn't thinking about gang-rape, which I understand is extremely common in SA. Also I believe that the pain would be COMPLETELY incapacitating to the point that all the rapist could do is writhe and curse, thus giving the victim time to get away (or preferably to put an end to the waste of oxygen. But then there's retaliation to consider from the rapist's family, friends, etc.)
Any guy that's ever been kicked there can tell you - the world recedes and you become a little more than a tiny point of consciousness for a few minutes while you beg the gods for a quick death. I can't imagine having hooks buried in me - oh jesus I can't even type it without tears welling up.... :o :o :o
SubJeff on 19/4/2008 at 16:14
Being kicked in the nuts is a completely different type of pain though. This is science and being a total nerd on these issues is appropriate here I reckon. Testicles derive their nerve (and blood) supply from a completely different source than your penis, which why people often feel sick when kicked - the pain fibers travel up to the level of your kidneys before they start making for the spine. Penile nerves transmit to the spine much lower down, and consequently your nervous system tends not to confuse pain sensations generated here with anything from the bowel. It's a similar logic to why people having heart attacks often feel pain in their left arm or jaw as well, and sometimes only in the arm and not the chest.
That's the science of being kicked in the nuts.
This, and the fact that I've seen testicular and penile injury cases in the emergency room, lead me to believe that penile injury, though obviously painful, will not cause the same sort of incapacitation as a good knee to the jewels. I think these guys will be in pain, bleeding, shocked and outraged but not incapacitated and very much in a mood for doing something that will make a rape seem like a walk in the park.
Starrfall on 19/4/2008 at 16:50
I'd trade mine in for a gun and a knife and training on how to kill people with them.
Ko0K on 19/4/2008 at 19:11
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will be particularly useful for poorer black women who walk long distances to and from work
Anyone who can walk more than a few yards with that thing stuck up her hoo-hoo must either have a foot-wide crotch or be in the habit of walking like she just shat her pants.
The Phenomenon on 19/4/2008 at 22:08
Quote Posted by fett
Aja, Tocky, SE, nickie - it
seems like you're saying it would be a bad idea to wear one because it might make the rapist more angry, or make rapists start checking before they take the plunge. Which to me sounds like, "Oh, let's not anger the rapist. He might rape me worse than he would have without it, or maybe kill me. It's better to just take what's coming without a fight and not risk making it worse..."
Am I wrong?
Phenom - I never claimed to understand what was going on there - how could I? I spent 12 hours there once and realize there's no way to comprehend what's going on in that amount of time or from reading news stories. However, I find it hard to believe that the rape epidemic is 'the least of your problems' when it's at the root of millions of unwanted pregnancies, STD's, and resulting economic burdens on both individuals and the government.
It just seems bizarre to me that an anti-rape advocate would be against these. She seems like the kind of idealistic twat who stands around insisting that the police and the rapists change their ways while women are getting raped an average of every 10 seconds. Guess what? That's never gonna happen, so it seems like taking such a drastic step would at least make a rapist think twice. No one believes it's going to stop the problem completely, but it sends a message that women aren't going to continue to stand by defenseless and let this happen to them.
Well you can add quotes but that doesn't make it a quote. I never said it was the least of our problems over here, feel free to refer to my first post.
In South Africa, getting a gun legally, is more or less impossible (you need motivation, and self defense isn't a valid motivation. So unless its a hunting rifle and you belong to a hunting association its not happening). Getting one illegally however, is easy. Stupidly easy. For the equivalent of $50-$200 you can get more or less whatever you want (handguns, assualt rifles, semi automatic shotguns etc). The result is well-armed criminals and unarmed civilians. The only people with legal firearms still are people who got them 10 years ago and managed to retain their licenses when the new laws came in.
Three weeks ago, less than 100 metres from where I live, in my street, a 19 year old girl was killed. Fucker put a pillow over her head and shot her. Her half-naked body was found by a neighbour. And this is the good side of town.
I've lived here all my life. 5 People I know personally have been murdered. I know 2 women that have been raped. Everyone has someone close to them that have been robbed or carjacked or both. There has been two attempted burglaries at my home, once they ran away when they saw me, the other time I had to shoot at them. Oh and killing an intruder, gets you a manslaughter charge, especially if they hadn't already made an attempt on your life first. People who are still crazy enough to live on farms are just news horror stories waiting to happen.
This country is made up of people that believe raping infants or drinking medicine made from children's genitals and eyelids and god-knows what else can cure you of AIDS. People that believe a woman doesn't have the right to say no.
SE - I haven't misconstrued anything, unless the OP wasn't in English. He claimed that Anti-rape activists weren't doing enough, and this was what I responded to. In fact, let me copy and paste it for you: "Vengeful? HELL YES IT SHOULD BE! Hey Charlene? You're campaign SUCKS ASS since 1.5 million woman are still being raped in South Africa every year (last time I checked) - not counting child rape. Maybe it's time to be more pro-active?"
fett on 19/4/2008 at 22:57
My point wasn't that they weren't doing enough. My point was that clearly whatever they're doing isn't working, and I didn't understand why she would be opposed to taking more drastic measures. Given the rape statistics, no one in the "anti-rape" campaign has much credibility when it comes to criticizing a new method of prevention. If her "campaign" were actually working, the numbers would be going down not up, so who gives a fuck what she thinks about these devices? Her stance seems to be one of unrealistic idealism - that somehow because the women are required to do something to prevent the rape, this device is somehow demeaning. As if she's expecting the government and the rapists to "shape up" because of her outrage. I don't get it. Also - sorry to mis-state your original post. "Only problem" is quite different from "least of the problem" - I just got the idea that you were saying rape crime was a low priority in light of the other things going on.
As for the rest of your post, I'm sorry that you live such a place, but you haven't exactly articulated why these devices are a bad idea yet. Obviously I realize that SA is in really, really bad shape, which is why I started the thread to begin with. Restating the fact doesn't bring weight to your argument that the device is a bad idea. It only reinforces the point that something drastic needs to be done. In this case the individual wouldn't be dependent on the government or the mercy of the rapist - they could take the situation into their own hands.
As much as I hate handguns, what you're saying about the SA gun laws terrifies me in light of bans being proposed in the U.S. I used to live in Little Rock Arkansas and unfortunately am very familiar with gang mentality. It doesn't bear thinking about what would happen downtown if civilians couldn't legally purchase a firearm to keep these assholes out of their houses and away from their kids.
mopgoblin on 19/4/2008 at 23:14
Quote Posted by fett
Any guy that's ever been kicked there can tell you - the world recedes and you become a little more than a tiny point of consciousness for a few minutes while you beg the gods for a quick death. I can't imagine having hooks buried in me - oh jesus I can't even type it without tears welling up.... :o :o :o
The worst pain I've ever felt was from peeing while I had a urinary tract infection. I'd say it hurt a lot more than a kick to the balls, but it didn't have any incapacitating effect.
fett on 19/4/2008 at 23:26
SE is correct as well. Testicular pain is different from penile pain. There should be an Inspector Gadget claw that pops and and grabs the guy's gonads.
I think I'm working on a kidney stone right now, so I'll get back to you on that penile pain thing in a few days. We need to get Scots in here for a testimony about testicular pain.
2nd time I've been able to bring that up in the last two days. Score!
