Jason Moyer on 12/6/2010 at 22:47
Quote Posted by D'Arcy
Breaking the offside trap, or using the offside trap to defend efficiently is an art.
That's the sort of thing I was interested in, as opposed to "omg u dum yank".
SubJeff on 13/6/2010 at 01:43
Oh, you wanted an intelligent debate on it? Oh my bad, I must have got myself confused and misread what you posted. I got the impression you'd bowled in here saying you didn't understand how football had thrived with such a "stupid" rule.
I wonder where I got that idea?
Quote Posted by Jason Moyer
How the hell has soccer thrived this long with such a stupid offsides rule?
Dolt.
Shakey-Lo on 13/6/2010 at 03:29
Offside allows defenders to push up further, making it a more attacking game and therefore more interesting. Without it defenders would have to stay back at their goal for the entire game, instead of pushing forward to the halfway line like they do during attacks. There would be much less team movement.
Nicker on 13/6/2010 at 08:39
What Shakey said.
How about the penalty kick? Anybody agree that it's time to change how that goes down?
A penalty is given because a credible shot on goal was stopped by a prohibited action. The penalty kick should recreate a credible shot on goal, not a 80% giveaway.
I'd suggest starting the attacker outside the penalty area. As soon as he enters the penalty area, the goalie may move off his line.
And FIFA, can we have video confirmation of game crucial penalties, please?
ercles on 13/6/2010 at 09:44
Penalties are probably the least fair aspect of soccer as a sport, and I'd be fascinated to see them improved, although I am skeptical that it could be achieved.
But video reviewing penalties is an awful idea. Video review is very useful for a number of things in a number of sports, but judging contact infringements is a horrible idea. Obviously the NFL uses video review widely as part of it as a sport now, but it is a highly structured and regulated game, everything can be (within reason) broken down into guidelines that a video official can adjudicate on. The NBA is a sport that uses video review well to judge whether a shot was worth two or three points, and who touched the ball last on an out call, because those should be clear calls, and when they're not, the review can't be final. But to start using video review to identify penalties (as has also been suggested recently in the NBA) is insane because it's just too vague an area to be judged on review, and it will only serve to slow down the sport significantly in the final minutes as every single call will be reviewed (unless an nfl style challenge system is introduced).
Regardless, I think all this would achieve would be to move football away from what sets it apart from other sports: its simplicity, and its drama. Although awful calls are often made in soccer (ask any Australian about the 2006 world cup, we wuz robbed), and I do think that diving has really robbed the sport of any real credibilty (for me at least), the sheer chaos that surrounds the world cup is such a defining feature of it. To remove all of that would make it so much less fun.
Kuuso on 13/6/2010 at 10:40
People complaining about the offside rule have never obviously played football properly and don't generally know anything about the sport. The offside creates 1on1 situations and ample tactics (offside trap for example) to use, without it, we would see a slower game with less goals (defenders would have to remain low all the time basically).
Also, I'm rooting for South Korea, because they play fast and entertaining football. North Korea will win though.
SubJeff on 13/6/2010 at 10:43
Video reviews I can get behind. Too many divers. Yes you know who you are.
Medlar on 13/6/2010 at 11:55
(
http://www.offside-ref.co.uk/laws/11-offside-rule/detailed/) off side rule pictorial
Or if you are a girl read below....
You're in a shoe shop, second in the queue for the till. Behind the shop assistant on the till is a pair of shoes which you have seen and which you must have.
The 'opposing' female shopper in front of you has seen them also and is eyeing them with desire.
Both of you have forgotten your purses.
It would be totally rude to push in front of the first woman if you had no money to pay for the shoes.
The shop assistant remains at the till waiting.
Your friend is trying on another pair of shoes at the back of the shop and sees your dilemma.
She prepares to throw her purse to you.
If she does so, you can catch the purse, then walk round the other shopper and buy the shoes.
At a pinch she could throw the purse ahead of the other shopper and, *whilst it is in flight* you could nip around the other shopper,
catch the purse and buy the shoes.
Always remembering that until the purse had *actually been thrown* it would be plain wrong to be forward of the other shopper.
ercles on 13/6/2010 at 11:56
Post match reviews that identify repeat divers I think can work, although I've yet to see it happen despite it supposedly occurring in many sports. Asking someone to identify a dive during a match won't work.
SubJeff on 13/6/2010 at 12:08
Good link Medlar. That should sort some things out.
