Thor on 3/7/2010 at 19:52
Rofling at how both teams failed 11 metre shots,, altho for spain it was cheated. Spain deserves to win this game, cause that rule is the single most dumbest rule I've heard in my entire life. And I've heard some pretty retarded rules. :P
Dainem on 3/7/2010 at 20:25
Just back from Public Viewing.
Wow.
4: 0.
Undescribable. It´s so shocking. The whole Country is on the streets and celebrating.
4.0.
Against Argentina.
Argentina. Not Australia. Against Messi, Tevez, Higuain.
Against Maradona.
This was the best game of a german team ever.
Thank you.
And now Spain.
Europe 3 - South America 0.
dj_ivocha on 3/7/2010 at 20:35
Quote Posted by Thor
Spain deserves to win this game, cause that rule is the single most dumbest rule I've heard in my entire life.
Uh, what rule are you talking about?
And for me, Paraguay deserved to win or at least to get to extra time and maybe penalty kicks as well. Their completely valid goal was dismissed, after all. On the other hand, after their goalie blocked the second PK, he did grab at Fabregas' feet, so that should have been another PK for Spain right there. But trading a certain goal for a maybe-goal doesn't make it quite equal, especially if the other maybe-goals (PKs) in this very same match are any indication. :D
Thor on 3/7/2010 at 20:45
Uh, that rule where the penalty required to be re-done because the team entered the goaly place area too soon. Realisticly there was no logical reason behind it. But hey - rules are rules!
Am I rite??
Anyway, it din't even matter that much who wins, they won't get to the finale anyway. :p Well, who knows, but beating germany would mean to beat Octopus the Prophet. :D
Harvester on 3/7/2010 at 20:51
Well, that was a rule I'd never heard about. The Paraguay player didn't touch the ball, but it was counted as an offside because he 'participated in the attack'. Never knew there was a rule like that, but apparently it was incorrectly invoked here.
And that thing with the Spain penalty kick that had to be done over because the other players ran into the penalty area too soon, that's a weird call because the same thing happened with the Paraguay penalty and that one didn't have to be done again. According to the analyst on Dutch tv, with most penalties that are made the keeper or other players move too soon and the referees almost never care so it's weird that this one had to be done again.
Lytha on 3/7/2010 at 21:35
Hrm... I normally never pay any attention to sports but for some reasons, I'm vaguely interested in the worldcup this time.
However, whichever team I am rooting for gets annihilated badly in the next match. It started with North Korea (I found them so hilarious in that match against France that I totally supported them), then I moved to the US team, then to the South Koreans, the Japanese, the UK, lately to Ghana and Paraguay. My quota for supporting the losers is more precise than the quota of correct decisions of those whatstheycalled judges? referees? I mean those guys who decide that a goal isn't a goal.
So, whom should I support in the next couple of matches, you think? I'm afraid I'm for Uruguay next, but I am sure that you can swing my sympathies for the other teams as well after giving me some reasons why I should.
SubJeff on 3/7/2010 at 23:25
Quote Posted by Harvester
Well, that was a rule I'd never heard about. The Paraguay player didn't touch the ball, but it was counted as an offside because he 'participated in the attack'. Never knew there was a rule like that, but apparently it was incorrectly invoked here.
People don't understand the offside rule. It's not an offense to be in an offside position
unless it gives you some advantage. That advantage can be being passed the ball, but it may also just be being in a good position to receive the ball at some point soon in such a way that it alters play (because someone will have to move to mark you) and gives your team said advantage.
Brian The Dog on 3/7/2010 at 23:39
Quote Posted by Harvester
Well, that was a rule I'd never heard about. The Paraguay player didn't touch the ball, but it was counted as an offside because he 'participated in the attack'. Never knew there was a rule like that, but apparently it was incorrectly invoked here.
It used to be "anyone who is offside anywhere on the pitch is offside", but that slowed down the game too much, so the rules were changed in the 90's so that the attacker had to be "active". Cue large amounts of confusion over when a player is "active" and when they are not "active"... In the end UEFA (and I'm guessing FIFA) decided on a player being "active" if they do any of the following:
1) Run towards the ball.
2) Be near an attacker running towards the goal who is onside (since it confuses the defenders)
3) Be in front of the goalkeeper or obstruct his view of the ball or an active player.
Rather bizarrely, all defenders are active, so you'll never see a defender getting medical treatment by his own corner-flag, as he'd play everyone onside even though he's not taking part in the game :confused:
Quote Posted by Thor
Uh, that rule where the penalty required to be re-done because the team entered the goaly place area too soon. Realisticly there was no logical reason behind it. But hey - rules are rules! Am I rite??
The rule is there for a good reason - otherwise defenders could stick a wall along the goalline, or the kicker could pass it to a player running in. All players have to be at least 10 yards from the penalty spot (this is why the "D" is present on the edge of the penalty box), behind the kicker (to stop them distracting him), and outside the box. Encroachment is only penalised by the referee if it goes against the penalty result - i.e. if a goalkeeper saves the penalty but the defenders encroached, it is re-taken, but not if it's scored. Paraguay's penalty should definitely have been re-taken, the encroachment (a few yards) was way more than Spain's penalty (a foot or so). Harvester's right though, most referees are a bit lax if it's a close call. But Spain should also have had another penalty for the keeper bringing the guy down straight after the penalty.
dj_ivocha, when you said "PK" in your post, at first glance I thought you meant Kurdish armed dissidents had invaded the pitch ;)
Lytha, please support Germany, I have Netherlands in the sweepstakes with my friends :D
Hesche on 4/7/2010 at 06:25
Quote Posted by Lytha
My quota for supporting the losers is more precise than the quota of correct decisions of those whatstheycalled judges? referees? I mean those guys who decide that a goal isn't a goal.
I have never actively played football. But just thinking about what a linesman has to do to make a right call seems ridiciously hard to me.
So I got to sprint as hard as the forwards/defenders (those guys who practice sprinting like every day) in order to be on a level with the players so my call is not influenced by a wrong perspective.
I got to actually see the moment of the pass.
I have to quickly turn my head, find the line of defense and now not only judge if the receiving player was offside but also if any other player was activly participating while being offside.
In full sprint.
With everything happening 10-50 meters away from me.
That´s pretty hard to do.
The crucial point being that you have to be lined up with the players. Since they show these computer animations where you can shift to everybody´s perspective I realized how easy it is to miss a call because it is simply impossible to see it right if you have the wrong perspective. Just being one step behind can mess up your call.
And still they get 90% of the calls right. Seems like a good rate to me.
Oh, and please DON´T support Germany Lytha ;)
