Gingerbread Man on 29/6/2010 at 02:29
I was being pretty serious. The fireworks and shit were hyperbole, but a light or something would at least alert a ref that there was something to look at over by the goal.
BEAR on 29/6/2010 at 04:06
Quote Posted by Kolya
I have no idea what is going on but listen to me authoritatively tell you how it is
Yeah....thats a fucking load. I agree that gratuitous use of instant replay would damage the game, but considering that they take a significant amount of time between goals anyways to yell and scream and pile and what not, it would be very easy to just review goals. They have the time, they have the technology, and I can't really see any reason that this ridiculous shit has to go on.
Or just what GBM said. I still think a quick review would be worth the time.
I think soccer could take a few things from American football to be honest. Granted they are entirely different games, but at least its consistent for the most part.
Kolya on 29/6/2010 at 10:14
You misunderstand. I said I wasn't a football fan, not that I didn't know what I'm talking about. Couldn't be more wrong. :)
You know, football is a game about men running around kicking a leather ball. It's not about you sitting a million miles away watching on your telly.
The idea is that a referee's decision is final. And yes, he's a human, so he will make mistakes. But just as in any other game where there's some sort of game-master involved, you accept his role as part of the rule set.
Fortunately, whether you get that or not, these rules aren't going to change.
Matthew on 29/6/2010 at 10:40
That's a rubbish argument when rugby and cricket have brought in options to assist their referees though. You don't take away his authority, you enhance the tools he is given to let him exert his authority correctly.
DDL on 29/6/2010 at 10:43
But then how do you account for all the sports that have added electronic means to assist the referee? And done so successfully, and improved the sport.
I'm pretty sure having one man make arbitrary decisions, and having those decisions upheld in the face of clear evidence to the contrary, is not one of the fundamental parts of football. I thought it was, fundamentally, about two teams of dudes trying to kick a ball into each other's goals.
Arguing against it because it would interrupt the flow of play is a perfectly good argument (though a cyclops style system is hardly a time-consuming addition), but arguing against it because having a single dude make arbitrary, frequently poorly-informed decisions is "the spirit of the game" is a bit rich.
EDIT: Damn you, matthew.
Matthew on 29/6/2010 at 10:47
Bwahaha.
As far as disrupting the flow of the game goes, it's not like it doesn't happen by other means anyway (such as players getting horribly injured). If Sky can put a replay up in about 30 seconds for the viewing audience then the ref should be able to jog over to the fourth official to look at a quick video replay.
Alternatively as you say, the cyclops / Hawk-Eye style systems could be used - presumably they can tell the difference between a player's limb and the ball?
Kolya on 29/6/2010 at 11:34
I wonder how many of you worldcup armchair analysts have ever been to a game personally. Maybe even as guest fans in another stadium? Going regularly? How many grounds you made?
Yeah, I guessed not.
Because we wouldn't have this discussion then. You'd know that football works quite well without any cameras at all. And it's not Hockey. lol
Of course you could solve the whole game with technology (and without much of a break), just put some cams in the goal, the sidelines, a few sensors here and there ... Why look at this: You got yourself a video game with life actors. That's how you see football - on your telly.
Go out in a park and kick a ball. Maybe then you'll get it.
Namdrol on 29/6/2010 at 11:36
Quote Posted by Kolya
Fortunately, whether you get that or not, these rules aren't going to change.
What are you on about?
Kolya on 29/6/2010 at 11:53
We'll see about that, but it would be a mistake. This game's still gotta work when some guys in Siberia are having an official match. So far it does. And there's a value to that simplicity.
Matthew on 29/6/2010 at 11:55
Quote Posted by Kolya
I wonder how many of you worldcup armchair analysts have ever been to a game personally. Maybe even as guest fans in another stadium? Going regularly? How many grounds you made?
Yeah, I guessed not.
Actually, I went to see my local team in nearly every home game for about 15 years, plus quite a number of away games.
So fuck your supercilious response.
