Qaladar on 17/10/2006 at 13:46
The muffin-man.
Matthew on 17/10/2006 at 14:23
*You* know the muffin-man??
Bjossi on 17/10/2006 at 19:28
I knew him too, before I ate him.
But how does that relate to the FTL drives? :p
Matthew on 17/10/2006 at 22:03
Way to not post the next line, Bjossi. :rolleyes:
Bluegrime on 21/10/2006 at 00:21
Space babies!
RocketMan on 21/10/2006 at 02:10
Well this thread has certainly reached an all time low...
How the hell did we get from faster than light drive to space babies and muffin men? I'm sure this wasn't in SHODAN's game plan when she was designing her alternate reality. :D
Bluegrime on 21/10/2006 at 03:33
No one ever plans for the space baby.
Hollowtip on 9/11/2006 at 05:00
How long was it between them arriving on Tau Ceti and that log about the worms and being 67 trillion miles away, because in the meantime the FTL drive was probably running and adding several trillion miles.
Furthermore, light travels at over 5.878 trillion miles per year, so if it beta grove did take 30 years to travel the 67 trillion (assuming that that is how far Tau Ceti was/is), the grove would only need to travel at 37.99% of the speed of light (although that is still a phenomanol speed, it is plausible, maybe some sort of super sling shot effect combined with propulsion systems). But if the FTL drives were active this could be a LOT less (we'd need to find the time it took to reach Tau Ceti, and then the time passed before that log to work out the minimum distance that the grove had to travell)
edit: We don't know exactly what sort of propulsion technology they had in SS1. If it took them one month (hacker is caught April 7, and gets his implant on May 6) to travel from earth to citadel station (when saturn and earth were at the closest orbits), they would need to travel at 1.1% of the speed of light (c). Now if a tiny shuttle can do that, its not that hard to imagine that technology exists at that point to travel at 38% c. Also, in the final cutscene for SS2, they talk about taking 30 years to reach earth in thier little ESCAPE POD, now if the escape pod can do that, why can't a possibly fully cappable grove make it.
RocketMan on 9/11/2006 at 17:05
Quote Posted by Hollowtip
edit: We don't know exactly what sort of propulsion technology they had in SS1. If it took them one month (hacker is caught April 7, and gets his implant on May 6) to travel from earth to citadel station (when saturn and earth were at the closest orbits), they would need to travel at 1.1% of the speed of light (c). Now if a tiny shuttle can do that, its not that hard to imagine that technology exists at that point to travel at 38% c. Also, in the final cutscene for SS2, they talk about taking 30 years to reach earth in thier little ESCAPE POD, now if the escape pod can do that, why can't a possibly fully cappable grove make it.
Its not a linear relationship though. 38% c takes way more than 38 times the energy to reach that speed than does 1%c. At 38%, relativistic phenomenon become apparent and the mass of the grove will increase (m' = m/sqrt[1-v^2/c^2]), necessitating more energy input to reach higher speeds. In the end you can do all the math you want and come up with all sorts of theories which may work...barely...but the fact of the matter is that the grove was jettisoned (most likely using a pyrotechnic system) and there's no way for this method to account for the huge speed the grove would need to have. It can be fun to think of how to solve the dilemma but its just an oversight and we can't believe that there's an intentional explanation for it.
Bluegrime on 10/11/2006 at 01:53
I'm sticking by my idea of a wormhole. Since theres no plausible way for the Beta Grove to have been ejected with enough force to travel at even 38% the SOL (Much less having managed to avoid every loose rock, star and planet between Saturn and Tau Ceti IV), I can't see how it would've beat the VB there with enough time for the Many-ing to take place.
And, assuming the speed is correct.. How in the HELL would anything survive the impact? Many or not, hitting a planet with enough speed to clear that 67 trillion mile gap in time to beat the VB there surely would've killed (Liquified?) anything that might've been on there. In fact, the Beta Grove proper probably should've been nothing but a crater.
