Tony_Tarantula on 3/6/2017 at 20:41
I will grant Renzatic one point.
It's absolute lunacy to think that the left is oppressing anybody.
since holding that opinion makes me a crazy alt-right wingnut, then Renzatic also must think that Fareed Zakaria a raging bigoted alt-right lunatic: (
http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2017/05/28/fareed-what-in-the-world-segment-gps.cnn)
Are you all starting to notice a trend here as to where I get my beliefs from?
Renzatic on 3/6/2017 at 21:49
No, I'm perfectly okay with his opinion on the matter, because I'm a liberal scarecrow who's opinions are arbitrarily decided depending on where a topic falls on the grand left/right spectrum. WATCH ME WAVE MY BROOMSTICK ARMS AROUND!
Would it surprise you to know that I actually do agree with the guy, and not because he's posting on CNN (THAT HEARLD OF THE RIGHTEOUS LEFT, HALLOWED BE ITS NAME), but because he's right. These college kids are a shrill, histrionic, not too terribly bright bunch, and it's not their place to shut down public speaking events just because they don't agree with their politics of the speaker. Oh, they can bitch about them all they want. Call them names if they feel the need to do so. But if these are people are invited to speak, then let them speak.
All these protests do is make the target of their ire look good due to the overplayed opposition against them, not in spite of it.
Maxrebo6 on 3/6/2017 at 22:52
You wanna know why a huge majority of Shareholder based companies espouse socially progressive value at least in regards to the culture wars because on Labor issues they are very Neoliberal and Conservative.Its because supporting those causes is good for business,it leads to less boycotts and it when it does its from demographics who aren't really go be missed.Surprise surprise but Lower and Upper Middle class people in the cities and suburbs have more a disposable income than people living in decaying industrial centers and the rural parts of this country.Its not that these businesses or Capitalism has suddenly developed a conscience,its they found that go with the follow and changes it attitude is better for business,so it less of principled stance and more of a cynical money grab.
Most American don't even understand what Liberal even means Liberal in the rest of the world means classically liberal which is a right leaning or center ideology not even remotely approaching the left of center.Those types are referred to as Neoliberals here in the states,mean while the social and cultural side is social liberalism which is completely different from economic liberalism.The Democratic is also not leftist at all especially not the majority or the party leadership,Their Corporate centrist or center right with a social democratic slant.There really is no real left leaning option in the US except for a very small segment of the Democratic Party since both of the major parties are god awful or half assed when it comes to Labor issues.
The Republicans steer the blame toward immigrants and minorities and constantly promising to bring back jobs that are never coming back because their industries are dead or dying.Sticking their head in sand about the fact that we have situation of more people than there jobs which is only gonna get worse as Globalization,Free Trade Agreements and Automation spread on top of the fact that we have a society where full gainful employment of everyone working age citizen is impossible.On top the fact of their steadfast refusal to embrace future or the fact the we need expanding programs that that attempt to deal with massive and ever widening inefficiencies of our economic system that can not and will not meet the needs of its citizen.But instead want cut them which is gonna have unintended consequences of removing quite of lot of revenue from the economy which is quite bad in a system that requires the exchange of goods and services.But sadly we don't have the data about how much of any given business revenues are derived from people on these social services that they would lose after cuts and whether that could lead to greatly decreased profits and thus layoffs shrinking the job market even further.
The Democrats especially the mainstream wing,they bring out the prop of supporting labor every election year but once the votes have been cast we get thrown to the side.Plus they do themselves no favor in embracing identity politics that is so thoroughly devoid of class analysis and divides solely along racial and other identity lines.People of Color and other oppressed groups are not in their situation based on their identity because you give them all the advantages and privileges afforded to whites,your still gonna have really high rates of poverty and class based issues.Identity Politics devoid of class analysis would imply that every white man is a king in the current society but we all know that isn't true, because if it where we wouldn't have high rates of poverty and unemployment with accompanying social problems like alcohol abuse and substance abuse including the ever worsening opioid epidemic which is brought on not by a individuals moral failing but despair by an ever worsening economic and social situation.Not to mention increasing rates of suicide and early death caused increasing stress due to economic insecurity and other social pressures.All of this among those supposedly belonging to the socially and politically dominant group. That shows us that there are other forces at work outside of systematic racism and that just removing one is not gonna enough to address the problem since there is far more in play.The Democratic and the mainstream left's failure to address these issues is what has allowed the forces represent by Trump and the alt right to fester.But the Democrats will never embrace this change hence their primary election shenanigans and refusal to put Single Payer Healthcare or let along any radical policy primally for the benefit of the working class which is not the same as the Middle Class as some try to imply.They refuse to do this because they are still the primally the party of Wall St and don't want to offend the party's donor class.Not to mention they think they can fix the problems via legislation and reform despite how rigged against that our legislative bodies are with gerrymandering,campaign finance issues and lobbyists.No to mention that history will repeat itself because if they were to somehow able to pass some form of regulation or reform the affected industry will spend the subsequent years or even decades funding political campaigns and lobbying for its repeal like the financial sector did with the reforms put in place in response to the Great Depression and all the gains made Organized Labor.
So here in the US we are stuck with 2 really horrible options and all of our third parties either don't have chance in hell or the strongest one (The Libertarian Party)is a joke and misuses of the world libertarian.Since in the rest of the world Libertarian refers to Anarchists with communist leanings.But it was co-opted by right wing fascists apologists like the people behind Pinochet in Chile.Libertarianism in America should more aptly be named Propertarian or Neo-Feudalism.
On the Subject of Far Cry 5 its not Republican Murder Simulator unless your admitting that the Republican Party as turned into a Right Wing Fascistic White Christian Death Cult think of ISIS only of the Cross and not the Crescent.
I see it less in that light and more like a the residence of a small town/county in Montana suffering hard times being sold lies by a mad man who claims to be a prophet instituting a theocratic dictatorship and you play either a resident or a traveler who get sucked into this mess who teams up residents who a sick and tired of the situation and taking matters into their own hands to deal with it.Think of the Situation in White Fish,Montana which was being flooded with Alt-Right,Neo Nazi and White Supremacists types and residents didn't want that or be known for that so they tried to run them out of their town.
Also The Right doesn't get to play the victim card when they continue to make bad decisions that blow up in their face and never work out at the state level and then decide to drag the rest of the country along with them whether we want to or not.
Also if it seems like there are not a lot of powerful international institutions run or dominated by conservatives that could just because its not the batshit American Strain because there a plenty who love to call for your guys favorite stuff:Austerity Measures.If they seem socially liberal that just because of the seem reason that a lot of corporation's don't embrace that stuff because its an awful business decision.
Social Programs and Welfare:We don''t the money for that,national debt wah deficit wah
War:Oh look a Money Tree
Tony_Tarantula on 4/6/2017 at 01:27
Quote Posted by Renzatic
No, I'm perfectly okay with his opinion on the matter, because I'm a liberal scarecrow who's opinions are arbitrarily decided depending on where a topic falls on the grand left/right spectrum. WATCH ME WAVE MY BROOMSTICK ARMS AROUND!
Would it surprise you to know that I actually do agree with the guy, and not because he's posting on CNN (THAT HEARLD OF THE RIGHTEOUS LEFT, HALLOWED BE ITS NAME), but because he's right. These college kids are a shrill, histrionic, not too terribly bright bunch, and it's not their place to shut down public speaking events just because they don't agree with their politics of the speaker. Oh, they can bitch about them all they want. Call them names if they feel the need to do so. But if these are people are invited to speak, then let them speak.
All these protests do is make the target of their ire look good due to the overplayed opposition against them, not in spite of it.
You would be 100% correct if it was just "college kids". It isn't just the kids though, the faculty and administration for the most part fully support that.
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Also if it seems like there are not a lot of powerful international institutions run or dominated by conservatives that could just because its not the batshit American Strain because there a plenty who love to call for your guys favorite stuff:Austerity Measures.If they seem socially liberal that just because of the seem reason that a lot of corporation's don't embrace that stuff because its an awful business decision
If you think that these countries are implementing "Austerity Measures" out of ideological reasons I would LOVE to show you an Econ 101 textbook.
Ever heard of the phrase "bond default"?
And notice how those austerity measures have generally been taking place in countries that had generally socialist-leaning policies? I wonder what possibly could have happened wit their fiscal policy to put them in danger of being a government in default the moment the economy downturns.
*vastly oversimplified, but I'm alluding to a more complex topic. Basically......what those governments did is the equivalent of going out and buying a Ferrari because you got a huge bonus check this year and have calculated that if you get an equally large bonus check every year for the next ten years then you can afford it no problem. You can imagine how well that works out if, for example, your economy is based on a single export that just saw the price fall by half and chose to spend the previous windfall on consumption rather than building out fundamental economic infrastructure.
Most governments these days are run by lawyers who couldn't manage a gumball machine. They'd spend everything in the bucket forgetting that they have save some to restock the machine.
icemann on 6/6/2017 at 06:51
Ok done a little more research and I now see why having 2 separate threads in 2 separate sections of the forums was needed.
So to sum up what I've read here and elsewhere (Kotaku):
* Bunch of people pissed off that the game is set in the US and that it's about taking on christian fanatics. People who'd be perfectly fine with it if it was taking on Muslim extremists but not Christian fanatics. O.......k.
I think this is another example of how the world has become too politically correct. Hence the outrage. "Oh I'm offended". Get over it. If you don't like it, don't play the game. Simple.
Kinda like with Resident Evil 5. So many people got pissed off and said the game was racist, just because it was in Africa and had black people.
I really hate what humanity as a whole has become and I want to get back to the 80s-90s when things were so much better, and people actually had a backbone. How did we get to this point? Things are just so stupid nowadays.
Sulphur on 6/6/2017 at 07:03
Er, RE5 had bigger problems than 'had black people'. It went a little too far with pushing stereotypes and depicting Africa as a land of tribal savages -- complete with spear-chucking zombies -- which is more than a little disingenuous.
Having said that, yeah, there's always going to be outrage over something or the other. I find it funny that a game about a fanatical cult, Christian or otherwise, draws people's ire because of the colour of its members' skin. Didn't the poster have a bunch of different races in it?
Edit: so, there's a token black dude on the far right. Diversity hire, I guess?
Pyrian on 6/6/2017 at 13:28
Quote Posted by icemann
...I want to get back to the 80s-90s when things were so much better, and people actually had a backbone.
Ehhh... I remember the 80's and 90's. People were up in arms that D&D and video games
existed. Very few devs dared to push any sort of cultural envelope; frikken Doom was controversial. We fought aliens, robots, zombies, Nazis, demons...
icemann on 7/6/2017 at 04:57
Go earlier and there was a vocal minority accusing rock music of being the work of the devil.
But that is VERY different to the political correctness that we see nowadays. It's never been like this before.
And devs pushed every envelope back then. Every new game was new ground. New ideas, new game types. Doom was controversial because it was new. It was taking the FPS genre to a whole new level that had never been done before. Fighting Nazi's and demons is totally controversial.
That said, we've been fighting demons in video games since nearly day 1. Might be controversial, but that certainly never stopped the devs from doing it.
Metroid and Phantasy Star 1 had you playing as a female. Completely controversial stuff. Never stopped the devs from going with that choice. Phantasmagoria had gore overload. Didn't stop them.
Renzatic on 7/6/2017 at 05:13
Quote Posted by icemann
But that is VERY different to the political correctness that we see nowadays. It's never been like this before.
No, it hasn't. But then again, we haven't had the internet acting as an amplifier for every outlier group out looking for reasons to be angry and/or offended. Now we're inundated with idiots.
