paloalto90 on 13/4/2008 at 16:48
Where does social darwinism and compassion meet?If we are simply gene carriers then is not compassion itself a hindrance to stronger genes?An example would be that when our female goats give birth we can shave the hair around the mothers nipples because some young goats starve sucking on hair instead of the tit.
But we have knowledge from domestication about these things.So social darwinism would say let the kids starve and the stronger will pass on the stronger gene.Compassion would say you have responsibility because you have the knowledge to prevent some goats from starving,above and beyond the economic consideration of losing some goats.
catbarf on 13/4/2008 at 19:31
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I think it's pretty damn excellent idea.
So, are you against charity then?
BEAR on 13/4/2008 at 20:26
Quote Posted by paloalto90
Where does social darwinism and compassion meet?If we are simply gene carriers then is not compassion itself a hindrance to stronger genes?An example would be that when our female goats give birth we can shave the hair around the mothers nipples because some young goats starve sucking on hair instead of the tit.
But we have knowledge from domestication about these things.So social darwinism would say let the kids starve and the stronger will pass on the stronger gene.Compassion would say you have responsibility because you have the knowledge to prevent some goats from starving,above and beyond the economic consideration of losing some goats.
You are not getting this in spectacular fashion. Who here is advocating social darwinism? Social darwinism doesnt have anything to do really with evolution, its just some fuckwits way of putting himself above other people.
If you pay attention or know anything about natural selection, you would realize that alot of the traits exibited by modern humans
were selected, religion being one of them and compassion being another.
Are you claiming that religion is the only means of compassion? Do you not think that atheists understand compassion and we're all hateful robots or something? My parents taught me compassion, maybe for some people reading it from the bible is good but it also teaches alot of non-compassion. In fact, the un-religious people I've known in my life are MORE compassionate than the religious people I've known. Thats not to say the religious people I've known are uncompassionate, but they are generally more conservitive types who are against welfare and foreign aid. If they support charities they support christian charities that do missionary work, its very little free money. That doesnt mean everyone is like that, its just my observations based on personal experience.
I would suspect that social darwinism would never work simply because groups of people get along better when they work together and help eachother out. An unintelligent person might think that you are better off fucking everyone over and taking everything for yourself works better and compassionate people are the opposite of that, but its not true. A group functions better when everyone helps out everyone, if you are a social darwinist and you get hurt and need help, will you get it? Probably not, which is why all societies in the world and in history have helped eachother out. There are even instances in the animal kingdom where members of Lion prides have been known to bring food back to injured animals instead of just letting them die.
Im beginning to loose patience with this, you obviously dont disagree with any of us you just have no clue what anyone has said or what any of us think.
Epos Nix on 13/4/2008 at 21:59
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Are you claiming that religion is the only means of compassion?
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Im beginning to loose patience with this, you obviously dont disagree with any of us you just have no clue what anyone has said or what any of us think.
Amazing. I don't see the word 'religion' anywhere in paloalto90's post.
Since I know you all just love bible verses, one that fits this situation nicely is Luke 6:41:
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Why do you look at the speck of dust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the timber in your own eye? 42 How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
Amen.
Koki on 14/4/2008 at 09:24
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So, are you against charity then?
What this has to do with social darwinism? If you want to give money to other people, go ahead. That's your money.
catbarf on 14/4/2008 at 10:41
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What this has to do with social darwinism? If you want to give money to other people, go ahead. That's your money.
Social Darwinism is explicitly the concept of minimal interference so that the strong survive and the weak die off. It's natural selection among humans. Charity is one of many things that goes against the idea.
jay pettitt on 14/4/2008 at 12:22
Of course, I'm happy and healthy because I happen to live in a wealthy society in a country with a generous climate and geology; not because my genes are particularly notable and someone else's are particularly worth binning.
d0om on 14/4/2008 at 12:36
Personally I think that someone who only wants to help other people because God(s) told them to and will punish them if they don't has no compassion at all.
Someone who genuinely helps others just because they think it is the right thing to do is infinitely more compassionate than a religious person who only does it as God(s) demand it.
Ben Gunn on 14/4/2008 at 12:54
Wow, Koki is discussing charity and is not explicitly against it.... I bet you didnt imagine such a glorious phuture, Epos.
