Ever think of how remarkable it is at how active this community still is? - by Bucky Seifert
Trance on 21/9/2019 at 18:47
I'm not here because of Thief. I'm here because of System Shock.
Gryzemuis on 21/9/2019 at 18:52
I was just trying to make a point. You know what I mean.
Activision, Sony, Ubisoft, EA, etc, none of those companies think: "when we create/market out next game, we have to make sure we make them just as good as the old Thief/System Shock games". Modern criteria for designing games, or even just liking them, are different from what they were in the nineties. And yes, of course there are exceptions. That's why I am here. To read about those exceptions. I think the unusual, exceptional, weird, niche, off-the-beaten-track games are appreciated more by the average TTLG-er than by just random people on the web. So for me, these forums are a more important source of information than any other website could be.
ZylonBane on 21/9/2019 at 20:21
Quote Posted by Gryzemuis
Everybody is here because of the Thief games.
I'm not. I'm here because of SS2.
Pyrian on 21/9/2019 at 21:07
I...I think I came here by way of Deus Ex? Not many clues in my posting history. Apparently my very first post was disagreeably disagreeing with Malygris over AvP movie expectations.
That being said, throwing around names like SS2 and DX don't really detract from Gryzemius' premise.
Purgator on 21/9/2019 at 21:08
I'm here as part of my community service.
Medlar on 22/9/2019 at 00:09
There’s no place like home
SubJeff on 22/9/2019 at 00:19
I'm here because of Thief but I could easily have been here because of System Shock 2. Thief was the first game I really got into when I got back into gaming, but SS2... I think I dreamt about it more.
Tony_Tarantula on 22/9/2019 at 01:26
Quote Posted by Gryzemuis
Everybody is here because of the Thief games.
The Thief games failed, commercially, because they were made for "MIT grad students".
Where did that quote come from?
Whoever said that is an asshat for the same reason that the guy who said "You need to have a very high IQ to appreciate Rick and Morty" is a widepsread internet meme and this guy deserves the same ridicule. You don't need to be some kind of galaxy brained genius to enjoy Thief.
What is true is that the whole genre of "immersive sim" games that were popular at the time require a longer attention span to play and reward players who are inquisitive. They're games that thrive much more off dopamine than adrenaline.
icemann on 22/9/2019 at 03:41
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
I'm not. I'm here because of SS2.
Same here. I don't really care about Thief.
ZylonBane on 22/9/2019 at 05:52
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
Where did that quote come from?
That quote came from the meat mangler of Grizzlemouse's brain. The
actual quote, by Warren Spector, while working on Thief: Deadly Shadows, is "You can't make a game by and for MIT grads. You have to make the game accessible." ((
https://archive.org/details/Computer_Gaming_World_Issue_238/page/n47) Computer Gaming World #238). This was probably a reference to what was apparently a (
https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35111&highlight=MIT+grads) tongue-in-cheek internal slogan of Looking Glass: "By MIT grads, for MIT grads", a reference to the number of MIT grads Looking Glass had on staff.
(on a side note, it's slightly depressing how much Looking Glass lore seems to have almost completely fallen off the internet)